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I gotchu. I always like to bumble. It's how I get answers. + I still got some TFC prepping to do. 129th will not cut it for me.

Just Kazumi being S & Hwoarang, Hei, Paul, Law & Bryan being significantly low but Steve, Eliza, Lili, And others being high is something I can't see. Not that Steve isn't an A tier or such. He's great but I feel what execution's required for Steve makes him hard af. Especially seeing he was...

But I still feel Hwoarang should still be up there. Just out of the fact that if we're talking about tourney's shouldn't results play a role? I feel Hwoarang's results should put him there. Not saying he should be S tier. But I feel an A tier's understandable. But again that's just my...

Now I look at your points and they're valid. I'm not saying your wrong in for example Law vs Dragunov and such. Law is objectively easy but considering how negative he can be and DSS is a pain...And yeah Hwoarang has no legit get out of jail card besides maybe B1 or B4 if they go for a high I...

But seeing that Hwoarang is low and not even high B, this dudes almost low to near Gigas level. He doesn't suck that bad in a tournament setting where Gigas or the Bears (Who I almost never see at all in tourneys) are close to his level??? Nope. This is a debate (A great one at that and I hope...

@UpSideDownGRUNT Yes she hasn't changed. And I'm not disputing her placing. I feel she can be a A character with the tools she has for a tournament setting. I'm disputing who she's ranked above where I've seen Hwo and such more consistently than Asuka. If Hwoarang was in the same tier, I...

It wasn't cause of her pressure or reliable damage. It was because I messed up or I became too predictable. Like I'm not disagreeing with you or Knee about the philosophy of the list. I disagree with the placing when I see Hwoarang, Heihachi, & Bryan play great in tourneys despite being...

#4 Valuing strength in clutch & high pressure. Hwoarang has strength & high pressure in clutch. He can get high damage just off his armor crushes and can just put players in a vortex because of his frames. Now I look at Kazumi, with all the people I've played (Now they're not Take but they're...

But then Eliza's up there? She's not easy either. I can't see that one. #3 I can agree with the PS4 version list. I'll have to look into it more when I actually have a viable gaming PC but I can see where PS4 got delay and stuff.

To me he's the hardest. And people thought of dropping this dude. I didn't hear "I'm dropping Hwoarang cause he's so hard but not rewarding". Until Taisei Steve was almost gone from a tourney setting. That's #1. Number 2 The others that are questionably low who generally are viewed as easy...

@Darkslay I understand what your trying to say, but I just can't agree with Hwo or Bryan being low like that. Now when he talks execution and stuff yeah they're hard to play and I can see that but where is that argument debunked: He puts STEVE in the high tier. Steve's one of the hardest...

When we see them at peak levels and I feel Hwoarang not even finished yet with his potential with Feng Wei as well with Noroma playing so good. Bryan's also low when Knee even uses Bryan and goes far. So many questions??

Before the game came out. Not after. Plus considering how dude's talking about how far they go, the last Asuka I saw go pretty far was at EVO and that was it. Not disrespecting Asuka. She has potential and she's not bad. And shoutout to Fergus cause he's easily the best Asuka. But compared to...

Both tier lists overall are weird af. Someone will have to legit educate me on how Hwo not A tier in a tournament setting when you have Speedkicks going to grand finals and winning and BATs in Top 16?

Dudes talk about how they require less and they go far but Hwo wins tourneys. Heihachi wins tourneys. I never saw a Asuka win tourneys in T7. Nor Lili. Nor Jin. Nor Alisa. Nor heck even Kazumi. Even the regular tier list is questionable. No Bryan in S tier or Dragunov but both are highly...

But it's all good. i just thank GOD for the opportunity to play a tournament. Went 2-2 and at my L I held my own til the end. I'm pretty happy for myself considering how awful my Hwoarang is. Which means I can win games in tourneys. :)

But in what game though?