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Alright !!! Let's resurrect this baby !!! Thanks @Tones ;)

Okay... I'l try to respond to what I think I was able to understand: My example about the Caltrops was that they damage knockes down opponent's.... I don't know if the sunbeam can do it too but I've seen Players use the Caltrops to bait people inro standing up. They don't walk into them...

That makes sense since They Track... they are much faster than regular offensive holds and the obviously they beat strikes.... I just wish his BT :P: wasn't so slow.... its also important to note I haven't taken My Brad out of the dojo yet.... I'm still training with him. :bradwong:

Uhm while you technically can't force summon to get up in MK.... characters like Erron Black and I think Kotal Khan have special attacks that damage downed opponents.... it doesn't force you to get up but that's kind of a moot point if you're lying ontop of Caltrops. I actually don't mind...

Okay so this something I do with La Mariposa but it works for Brad Wong aswell. Brad as a couple of Safe Moves that will stop people from trying to throw punish you.... but you can't block when your facing backwards..... and even though the moves are safe, you will still be at disadvantage...

Shhhhhh..... don't give away the biggest weakness. :eek: I'm just joking....okay so first of all.... It takes a while for Brad Wong to actually be in the " downed state" after initiating the taunt.... 2nd Of all.... theres quite a lengthy duration before the game grants Brad Wong the abilty to...

@d3v I still have to read the link you sent me yesterday..... will get back to you as soon as possible.

Uhm....well sort of..... I understand what you mean in general. :)

Thanks.... its the first thing I'l try in training mode. :)

You don't see those in Combo Video's because you can't set the dummy simulate the exact nature of how BURST/RUSH/OUROBOROS is actually used. Yeah the notations become very confusing with Teleport and Back Turning Characters.... I am however glad to see a very practical way to get Alpha BT more...

I'm more confused than ever before.... perhaps the Frame Data might help. I know Alpha's 8T has insane range and a very slow startup.... plus Offenive Holds usually have more active frames than throws couple that with Alpha's unsafe recovery from her low sweeps and yeah you can frustrate alot...

Okay I stumbled onto something interesting regarding Brad Wong's fall down taunt.... according to the Move Details.... its the exact same knock down you get from being hit by an opponent..... it grants you access to all the same Oki techniques including wake up kicks and I'm assuming it will...

LoL.... I especially liked the use of the FLOAT stance and I've been dying to see BT :7::K: being used for something.... great work. Representing the fastest mid kick in the game. But most importantly the art work is the best I've seen so far. ;) Score one for Jello:alpha152:

Okay I'm reading your "S>T>H>T>S" as Strikes beat Throws which beat Holds.... which Beat Throws which beat strikes.... Those Last two are not entirely true....the only way a hold can beat a throw is if you use a nuanced move like a jumping or crouching Offensive Hold or Sabaki (strike with Hold...

There is a bit of nuance to Lisa's BT Shenanigans. Using page 3 of the move details I was able to find out that Lisa's :8::P: turns her around in 8 Frames.... but her SS:p+k: turns her around in 7 Frames (but only after the side step Cancel interval window) If I could just get more accurate...

1. The Low Wake Up Kick is highly susceptible to being punished by all kinds of things.... the High Wake Up Kick is alot more powerful..... but its stil a semi safe move and can be punished by throws.... it can also be whiff punished by powerblows.... The Wake Up Kicks are actually pretty weak...

I have no idea how to respond to that.... the Rock Paper Scissors thing is just an affordence people use to describe the cyclical nature of how each type of move interacts with one another.

Okay if I had to be honest.... I don't like Mat Pat....... they should have gotten Jirard to do this one.... I consider him to be abit more knowledgeable. As for the actual content being discussed..... @Mr. Wah pretty much said what I was thinking.

LoL.... I still have dreams about Tina combos in my sleep..... and I was wrong.... La Mariposa does not have better Tools than Tina..... I miss her so much.

A cheater who spams the same moves over again ?