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From my experience in vanilla, the knee drop was never useful. You can use it to beat out wakeup kicks or to punish someone for not teching like any other down attack, but Bayman's seemed uniquely shitty in that it appeared to be possible to tech it on reaction and punish him for it, due to it's...

Then you'd enjoy representing the art of Tengu-do.

If I'm not mistaken, ceiling hits are no longer techable. They were in previous games, but not in DOA5/DOA5U.

No because the unholdable stun that your opponent would be in after the ceiling hit would net you way more damage than anything you could have done with a normal 214P launch. On NH, for most weight classes, Leon's best followup to 214P is simply his air throw. If it caused a ceiling it though...

Yeah. I figured as much. Again, just a thought.

I thought as much. That's why I was asking for a general consensus. It was just a thought. Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I never use that move. It's not a WR move. It's just 3(hold)P, but I agree. The only time I ever do that move is entirely by accident and I hate it. He already has a...

What does everyone think about Leon getting a ceiling hit off of 214P? I think it'd be cool, considering that he's the king of capitalizing off of the environment, but doesn't currently have a ceiling hit, aside from the universal Power Launcher. I can see how some may consider it too powerful...

Yes...?

Lol. That's what I was thinking.

That would certainty be justice. It's only fair. We lose our character so a bunch of people can get yet another they don't need. Why not make them have to suffer with it like we did? Perhaps it'd make her more interesting too. She'd be so bad that you'd really have to use your noggin to play her...

Until you beat them. Then they're furious.

I was testing out some of his safety earlier and noticed that this move has various + frames. Normally, the full charge is +8 on block, as you stated, but it's +9 at range and +10 at max range. Still has the big push back though. Also, the :K::K: string ends with this same move, but it's +4 on...

It's possible, but the other outfits we've seen so far are all original designs, so he may end up getting something new like everyone else. His racist, Guido outfits are options too, but I'm still betting on the red coat.

I have always been going for the P+KT option. I always try to run up and do that (if the distance is within reason), but it seems like having to take even one step before doing it will cause it to fail. I'm going to have to start to go for 3K, 214P, T instead from now on. I was playing for...

Of course it does.

Obviously that would be the man who killed Bankotsubo.

Yup. That's a fatty, if I've ever seen one.

Make it eight bikins and I'll main her in movie mode all day.

Here's a cool character design I've come up with in my spare time. He's a male tengu, about 1500 years old. Chaotic evil and finds the affairs of humans to be quite trivial. Maybe he could be the new antagonist or something. I was thinking he could wear very standard tengu attire. Maybe have...