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Here's a better idea. Do away with the regular point system and make standing punches, standing kicks, low jabs, low kicks, sweeps, knees, jumping punches, jumping kicks, and elbows all have different counters. Nerf the damage down even further, reduce the active window to 10 frames, increase...

If you don't want to you can go straight for a launch, and probably get less damage than one of the better counters, while risking getting hit by that counter.

Combos in DOA 5 are actually visually fun to watch though. The physics are cool. With MVC its more like watching the same three attacks 20 times in a row with sometimes a super thrown in there.

We're willing to deal with an opponent having the chance to counter out of stun. We're not willing to deal with our opponent having multiple chances to counter out of stun. That, in my mind, breaks the game yes. Remember the thread I posted about the actual odds of holding out of threshold...

You'll hear no arguments from me over this. I'm always in favor of nerfing the hold.

But once again, this is the frame data for the holds outside of stun so its irrelevant. What we need is the data for the holds inside of stun.

Surprised you actually said that.

Would mister source happen to have the numbers on holds INSIDE of stun?

Outside of stun its kind of irrelevant. You shouldn't be fishing for holds there anywhere, so there doesn't need to be a lot of recovery.

It isn't excessive at all. In fact it doesn't even decrease your odds of being correct for most of the cast. If your character only has two good launching options or two good stun extenders, your opponent will only be looking for those two options regardless of how many points the hold system...

If DOA 5 does end up being a good game, one can only hope that it's distracting enough that people can take their frustrations out on the game itself and not the message boards. I think this is honestly the real underlying issue with people.

If you're going to insult someones behavior, you should direct the insults to the actual people you mean to insult and not put a blanket insult over the entire site for it. No sense blaming the hammer because the wielder crushed his thumb, and so fourth. I imagine Mr. Wah doesn't appreciate it...

Well that was kind of a buzz kill.

.......... but if its stun value and not damage, whats the point of the flashing bar?

Yea its likely too late to change that, but obviously I would have preferred 6 point. My preferred method of execution would have been 3 point parries outside of stun, and 6 point holds inside of stun. But as it is currently, it's functional... so best not to do anything crazy this late in the...

This is definitely a lot more pleasing to watch than most of the other trailers. Hope to see more vids like this one.

I actually don't like that DOA 3 promotional art as far as box designs go. Nothing "jumps out" at you. It has no clear center piece to focus on as Ayane is just too translucent to fulfill that role. Box art has to look cool, but it also has to entice a complete stranger into checking it out...

Sounds like you'd get along. Not that I'm disagreeing or anything, I'm an angry man myself a decent % of the time. If I ever ran out of things to be angry about, I imagine I would have to start making things up.

In DOA 5, the initial hit matters. pre-e3 bayman could 66k 3k 7p into CB. e3 he could not, but he could 3p 3k 7p into CB. The initial hit mattering is the only explanation, but the damage still does not add up. Now he COULD be saying that 35 is the minimum amount of damage you have to...

See, I automatically assumed the same thing when he said that. But here is where we fall off that horse.... if we assume the number "30" is what is required to pop the threshold on CH, we already far ahead of that with a simple 3p, 3k, 7p. Changing it to 35 I don't believe makes it any...