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I'm a dumbass xbox user. Think that instead of 1PP to backturned opponent, you could do 1PK instead? F+H, 1PK, 236K, 33P (I hear 8K is a great new launcher too), finish with the air combo of your choice?

I thought Limbo was already an (unholdable) Collapse stun? You can get a Collapse stun off a normal hit 66PP? So 66PP (limbo stun), 236K (still limbo)... Think you can back turn cancel into 7P to get the right proper CB? Booty on BT opponent sounds like a return to form. I'm guessing that...

I'd say that would be Hayate. 66K and 3H+K have to be two of the longest ranged attacks in the game that can lead to serious damage. That's why I say Whiff Punishment is Hayate's gimmick.

So what's up with the new damage for the heavy ground attacks? I'm reading my guide; all 8P+K attacks on grounded foes do between 18 to 22 damage (Jann Lee is an exception at 25 D). Even Ground throws deal either 20 or 30 damage. So yeah, 40 damage off a heavy ground attack is a pretty big...

The "new" 9KP is just a back turn option from her regular flying back elbow, so no; it wouldn't help. For the rest, you've nailed it: 66P doesn't do anything 1P does better or faster. PP is +20 only as a CH (both Ps must CH) or inside a stun combo, meaning that an additional 66PP would pass...

Actually, the more I think about 66PP, the more I struggle to find serious uses for it. 66P is 20 frames, as slows as any CB and far riskier than 1PP for the purpose of "getting in". You try landing the move on a standing, alert opponent! In fact, when did serious Lisa players ever use 66PP to...

Lisa: acrobatic high/low crush attacks at range; a grappler that works at medium/long range off the GB pressure game from dropkicks and moonsaults. Hayate: the whiff punisher with the deep stuns. Using minor GB to set up backdash/throwing mix-ups. EDIT: Tina: all about the high counter throws...

Makes sense. I think the one thing that really worries me right now is if the squatting recovery from the moonsault will interfere with the guaranteed 6P8K you could get off the Guard Break. That was probably the most overpowered thing with Lisa.

Man, it's been so long since I've played this game, just recently heard of the new update and goddamn will that new 66PP change things for Lisa combos, but just one thing... That supposed "new move" of 9PP4 and it's variants... That's just a back turned option to her back elbow I've been...

As I recall, the threshold is 28 damage. Past that, you CB or launch because everything else knocks down. In other words, after the first hit that they tag you with they can only poke past 28 points before they have to launch or CB you. With most combos I've discovered (mind you, I play grappler...

So is anybody still working on this? I've been trying to build a little something for Bass and Lisa, trying to force some defining characteristics to the fighters. I don't know as much advanced stuff as MagnusCore knew, especially after the titanic work done on both Sarah and Gen-Fu so I'm...

After doing a lot of Mariposa training and playing, I'd say that the single most important improvement she needs would be an improvement to her 9P. The way I see it, Lisa is all about offensive movement and pressure games. I dare say it's what characterizes her as a DOA fighter. I understand...

How well does cancelling :6::P::P: work? I'm asking because that string gives a lot of stun frames, such that if you make it a business of trying to cancel immediately to throw, you'll more than likely whiff. For the record, :6::P::P: gives between 20 to 30 stun frames; almost good enough to...

A small correction: Carrera P (WR always means "While Rising" to me) alone won't give you much stun frames ( only about 7 to 13). It must be used off a previous stun for it's hefty stun (31 to 43 frames). CH (or opponent crouching) :9::K: also gives over 20 stun frames but because it leaves...

Add 7K6, 4P to the list of all-high stagger-proof stun extenders... Yeah, the fact they're all high is a problem. EDIT: You know what I think would help the problem? Just give more stun frames on BT 7P. Have it need more hits much like how BT 7K works before causing guaranteed 20+ frames of...

Add me to the the DISAGREES WITH EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID list. Fighting games right now are too full of guarantees, it's boring to be caught in a combo and know that there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. You might say "learn to defense" but that's not the point. The point is to keep...

VFDC has the best online command list searchable by execution, damage and everything else. I'm sure that in a situation where people need to know what is available to them on a certain frame advantage, they can discount options that simply aren't viable. Having strings follow the string...

Well I tried updating the DOA5 Bass data at the wiki: http://www.freestepdodge.com/wiki/bass-frame-data-doa5/ This... is the best I could. Guess it needs a :air: and a :ground: symbol for air and ground throws, and maybe a way to symplify that section all together. It's rather clunky at the...

Well I guess you can go BT from Carrera P! Your most damaging combo from 7K would therefore be: :7::k::6:,:p::4:,:7::k:,:7::k:,:4::k: 8 hits, 99 damage, Zack tested. On the other hand, It's a two guess combo though with both guesses being "high". Easy and impressive, though. Wish you could go...

1. :9::K: I'd call it her best offensive option. Slow but comes from outside jab range, meaning you dictate the terms of offense. And if Carrera and BT cancels thought me anything, it's that Lisa is all about maintaining offense. Speaking of which, the BT transition gives her tons of follow-up...