A Theory on Nyotengu

[Princess Pantsu]

Bare with me

Before Nyotengu's release everyone was freaking out claiming that it was Ayane because her dubbed name is "The Female Tengu". Fans reached this on their own, with only a picture of Nyo's eyes and hair when she was still nameless. Once people all saw her and realized she wasn't an Ayane clone they chilled out.

But who's to say Nyo isn't Ayane

•Nyotengu means female tengu, Ayane has been dubbed "The Female Tengu" in the past
•Nyo is 1018 years old. Random number? Ayane is 18 years old as of DOA5U
•Nyo and Ayane are tag partners in command training. Why not Rachel? She hunts fiends but still, Ayane of all people?
•Nyo more or less resembles Ayane's moves with her 2H+K 3x
•Raidou is Ayane's father. She is half demon? She has evil energy in her?

What do you guys think? If Nyo was simply a female tengu come to avenge Bankotsubu. Then why is her name simply "Female Tengu"?

I just thought I'd share what's been racking my brain as of late.

 

[Darth Lotonic X]

•Nyotengu means female tengu, Ayane has been dubbed "The Female Tengu" in the past

"The Female Tengu" is a derogatory term scrubs used for Ayane in Doa2U. People saw her as "cheap" because she got a free combo from her 4T(people are stupid).

•Nyo is 1018 years old. Random number? Ayane is 18 years old as of DOA5U
•Nyo and Ayane are tag partners in command training. Why not Rachel? She hunts fiends but still, Ayane of all people?

I believe TN is aware of the nickname and make references to it on occasion.

•Nyo more or less resembles Ayane's moves with her 2H+K 3x

All iterations of Tengu have this string.

•Raidou is Ayane's father. She is half demon? She has evil energy in her?

Half demon? When has it been established that Raidou is a demon? Sure, he's a dick, but that doesn't make him a demon.

 

[Princess Pantsu]

"The Female Tengu" is a derogatory term scrubs used for Ayane in Doa2U. People saw her as "cheap" because she got a free combo from her 4T(people are stupid).



I believe TN is aware of the nickname and make references to it on occasion.



All iterations of Tengu have this string.



Half demon? When has it been established that Raidou is a demon? Sure, he's a dick, but that doesn't make him a demon.

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[Princess Pantsu]

"The Female Tengu" is a derogatory term scrubs used for Ayane in Doa2U. People saw her as "cheap" because she got a free combo from her 4T(people are stupid).



I believe TN is aware of the nickname and make references to it on occasion.



All iterations of Tengu have this string.



Half demon? When has it been established that Raidou is a demon? Sure, he's a dick, but that doesn't make him a demon.

Actually I think I still need a bit more clarity than I thought

•Nyo is 1018 years old. Random number? Ayane is 18 years old as of DOA5U
•Nyo and Ayane are tag partners in command training. Why not Rachel? She hunts fiends but still, Ayane of all people?

Are still things that strongly irk me.

Furthermore the DOA Wiki says Ayane's canon nickname is Female Tengu. As does her Wikipedia page. I don't think it's merely an online thing.

Raidou may not be a literal DEMON but he does have dark powers flowing through his blood, as evidenced by Honoka. Being that Ayane is also in relation to Raidou, this may mean she too possesses some powers.

 

[David Gregg]

Well let's start with physical appearance. They have completely different heights, measurements, hair color, eye color, and Nyo has a pair of wings. Generally speaking when one character is actually in disguise most of these usually stay the same.
Nyo is said to have descended from the tengu realm out of boredom however she is actually seeking revenge on the ninja who killed Banko. This is far too elaborate of a story for it to be fake and would make absolutely no sense for Ayane to want to attack Ryu.
Their tag winpose is Ayane saying "No one stands in my way" and Nyo cuts her off, walks in front of her and says "THE female tengu stands supreme" as if to say to Ayane that Nyo is the one and only. Ayane crosses her arms in the back and looks angry.

So TN is making it pretty clear these are two distinct characters.

 

[Princess Pantsu]

Well let's start with physical appearance. They have completely different heights, measurements, hair color, eye color, and Nyo has a pair of wings. Generally speaking when one character is actually in disguise most of these usually stay the same.

Who's to say it's a disguise? There may be two souls in that vessel which explains the age 1018. Ayane currently being 18. 18 + 1000. Who's the 1000 year old?

As for appearance, DOA has never had a "fusion" of two people. But as seen in other media like Yu-Gi-Oh! or DBZ, when two characters form so do their appearances.

Consequently, if Ayane were possessed by a spirit of the opposite sex, the major attribute from Ayane would be gender. Making it a Female Tengu.

And it's not like there are any other Female Tengus about. Because just as you said she singles herself out by saying "THE female tengu stands supreme"
Nyo is said to have descended from the tengu realm out of boredom however she is actually seeking revenge on the ninja who killed Banko. This is far too elaborate of a story for it to be fake and would make absolutely no sense for Ayane to want to attack Ryu.

Very elaborate. Perhaps in order to come to the human realm the tengu needed a vessel. Ayane is also very close to Ryu. It would make sense.

Their tag winpose is Ayane saying "No one stands in my way" and Nyo cuts her off, walks in front of her and says "THE female tengu stands supreme

Nyo could see this as competition. She may feel Ayane is saying "No one stands in my way" Where as Nyo interjects with "Hold up, you're only strong when I'm fused with your body. I'm more deserving of acknowledgement right now. I stand supreme over all humans.."

 

[David Gregg]

"Perhaps in order to come to the human realm the tengu needed a vessel" <--- unlikely. Tengus in the DOA and Ninja Gaiden world do not need to inhabit a human vessel in order to enter our realm nor does Team Ninja ever indicate Nyo did that. Nyo is said to have descended from the mountains (following common Japanese mythology) and there is no mention of having to take "human form".

The pairing came about because Ayane says "Behold. I am the female tengu of Miyama!" after she defeated Bankotsubo in Fallen Miyama in DOA 2 Ultimate (@1:40).

Notice it says "Behold. This is what it takes to defeat the Tengu!". The translation was changed as this is what Ayane meant with the expression that she was the female tengu. Team Ninja changed it as to not confuse English-speaking players who might take it literally and think that Ayane was actually a female tengu.

So because of that one line, Ayane earned the nickname and is now paired with Nyo who is an actual female tengu.

 

[Mokyu]

Half demon? When has it been established that Raidou is a demon? Sure, he's a dick, but that doesn't make him a demon.

^
Raidou is just a ninja that was revived as a cyborg

 

[David Gregg]

But @Princess Pantsu even if Ayane isn't Nyo, I still think you brought up an interesting idea. Tengus have had the ability to control humans in many Japanese stories in the past. I'm not sure to what extent they can in the DOA world and if they could actually make them do things but we saw an example of this in DOA 2 when Ein had that vision of Banko so the tengu clearly connected with him somehow and got into his mind:

@1:22 (I apologize for the horrible English voices). Like you said if Nyo wanted to get revenge on Ryu the best way to do is to somehow influence his right-hand woman, Ayane.

@Forlorn Penguin knows more on this topic and can help us out on tengus! XD

 

[Forlorn Penguin]

First of all, the plural form of tengu is tengu. You don't add an s to the end.

Secondly, here's a much better quality video of the Tengu-mai trance dance.

Third, I have no idea what exactly the trance dance scene was supposed to represent. Allegedly, tengu have possessed the ability of possession in folklore and it would seem that that may be what Bankotsubo was doing (in some way, at least) to Ein, but what purpose he may have had for doing so was never explained because DOA's story is terrible like that. Also left unexplained was what he was even doing there in the first place. Him trying to posses Ein is just speculation.

Fourth, Ayane's dumb "female tengu" line was just that; a dumb line. Why it caught on and became popular, I do not know (maybe what Darth Lotonic X said earlier contributed too), but it seems more like just typical, cheesy dialogue. I'm not a fan of it and don't like that Nyotengu and Ayane were made a tag couple over it, but whatever.

I don't believe that there is any mind controlling or anything of the sort going on in the current story. I do however think it'd be pretty cool if everything that had happened in the storyline up to this point had been nothing more than massive illusions and mind fucks created by Bankotsubo's "deception" (including his own death) and that he still has some unfinished business that we don't know about. Then, perhaps some mind controlling shit could be implemented, saying that Nyotengu is just some dumb broad that he brainwashed, charmed, or is controlling to carry out certain preparations for him.

But yeah, Ayane is no tengu. She can keep dreaming.

 

[Nightpup]

Ayane was under possession from Bankotsubo, according to the canon that DOA: Dimensions established. So she believes she is Miyama's female tengu. The line caught on because it was a dramatic plot twist. It made it seem like Ayane was going to turn into the next boss character for DOA3.

 

[David Gregg]

Ayane was under possession from Bankotsubo, according to the canon that DOA: Dimensions established. So she believes she is Miyama's female tengu. The line caught on because it was a dramatic plot twist. It made it seem like Ayane was going to turn into the next boss character for DOA3.

Well Dimensions f***ed up a lot of the original plot but even then in Dimensions the possession of Ayane was according to Hayate: "One of Genra's tricks". Ryu had already killed Banko before that point and Ayane appears to be under possession of Genra since she had the same purple aura that he had.

Another annoying thing was that Dimensions said Genra summoned Banko which of course is wrong. Banko killed the tengu leader and escaped from the tengu realm. But TN's motto seems to be "F*** canon".

 

[Nightpup]

Well Dimensions f***ed up a lot of the original plot but even then in Dimensions the possession of Ayane was according to Hayate: "One of Genra's tricks". Ryu had already killed Banko before that point and Ayane appears to be under possession of Genra since she had the same purple aura that he had.

Another annoying thing was that Dimensions said Genra summoned Banko which of course is wrong. Banko killed the tengu leader and escaped from the tengu realm. But TN's motto seems to be "F*** canon".

Dimensions never said Genra summoned Bankotsubo. Dimensions stated that Genra broke the barrier between the Human and Tengu worlds, thereby allowing Bankotsubo to pass through of his own volition.

 

[David Gregg]

Dimensions never said Genra summoned Bankotsubo. Dimensions stated that Genra broke the barrier between the Human and Tengu worlds, thereby allowing Bankotsubo to pass through of his own volition.

@30:24 Ryu said it not me. >_<

 

[Princess Pantsu]

Oh my this got quite a bit of replies since my last rain check.
I don't know, if you guys don't believe in it that's fine, but it really bothers me how well some of these pieces fit
Since nothing is confirmed for Ayane's line, and this is all just my speculation for DOA6, I'll give you guys the point on what was meant.

However as my last card, do you guys have any opinions on Nyotengu's specific Age?
It seems to be the only thing not yet touched upon in the thread.

Banko had the general number of a 1.5 thousand years old. Why did TN feel the need to give her such a specific age?

Why the 18?

And why does it match Ayane's age of 18? Who is also :
Nyo's partner
The Female Tengu
And somewhat similar in appearance (As evidenced by the initial outrage of TN's teaser photos)

 

[Forlorn Penguin]

do you guys have any opinions on Nyotengu's specific Age?
It seems to be the only thing not yet touched upon in the thread.

Banko had the general number of a 1.5 thousand years old. Why did TN feel the need to give her such a specific age?

Why the 18?

Because 18 is barely legal in some territories.

And somewhat similar in appearance (As evidenced by the initial outrage of TN's teaser photos)

I don't see it.

 

[David Gregg]

Why the 18?

And why does it match Ayane's age of 18? Who is also :
Nyo's partner
The Female Tengu
And somewhat similar in appearance (As evidenced by the initial outrage of TN's teaser photos)

No one knows why they gave her the age of 1,018 however many of us assume it's to say she's meant to have the physical appearance of an 18 year old (that's what the Japanese told us when they first saw her and got the Famitsu scan).

 

[Princess Pantsu]

Whaaaat. You guys only think it's because 18 is a legal age? When she's 1018? She also looks in her twenties (even described as such in the wiki).

It's like the crumbs are all there but you guys are brushing it to the side with your feet.

So far the opposing stance is that :
Ayane meant nothing when she said Female Tengu
TN thought "fuck it, lol" randomly paired up Ayane with Tengu
Ayane just happens to be Ryu's right hand, who Nyo seeks revenge upon
And Nyo just happens to be the specific age of 1018, When Ayane is 18. (Beating a dead horse with this one, apologies.)
Nyo's character is simply named Female Tengu just because. (Spoiler : Her name may very well be Ayane)

 

[Forlorn Penguin]

Whaaaat. You guys only think it's because 18 is a legal age? When she's 1018? She also looks in her twenties (even described as such in the wiki).

Marie and Salad don't look 18 either, but are because reasons.

So far the opposing stance is that Ayane meant nothing when she said Female Tengu
TN thought "fuck it, lol" randomly paired up Ayane with Tengu

Yes, because they know that people like the whole "female tengu" nonsense that Ayane said. They thought people would find it cool to pair her with a real female tengu.

 

[David Gregg]

So far the opposing stance is that :
Ayane meant nothing when she said Female Tengu
Correct. I explained to you what she meant after she defeated Bankotsubo in DOA 2 Ultimate.
TN thought "fuck it, lol" randomly paired up Ayane with Tengu
Right. B/c Ayane called herself "female tengu" once. We don't know what interactions they'll have together just like we don't know why they paired up MR and Honoka (other than to have the two "moe" fighters have a cute pose together).
Ayane just happens to be Ryu's right hand, who Nyo seeks revenge upon
Yes that's what I said.
And Nyo just happens to be the specific age of 1018, When Ayane is 18. (Beating a dead horse with this one, apologies.)
Sorry but your logic isn't much better. "Hey guys Ayane's age is 18 and Nyo is 1018. Ayane must be Nyo!!!" That still doesn't make any sense...
Nyo's character is simply named Female Tengu just because. (Spoiler : Her name may very well be Ayane)
And they gave up on Bankotsubo and simply called him Tengu. Why? B/c it's easier and fans of previous games would understand what move set she would have.