Anyone miss Ein?

[Raansu]

I don't see why they have to fit into the story to be put into the game. Side characters are just that, side characters. I mean the story is going to pretty much revolve around the ninja's and some of the characters connected to doatec like Helena and Lisa but for the most part other appearances will be minimal. Like I don't expect to see Hitomi in the story outside of like a cameo fight scene.

This is of course if they stick with the DoAD style story telling. Regardless I stick to my point of a character doesn't need to fit into the story to be in the damn game. I doubt they were cut because of the story. I mean Ein had little to do with the story after DoA2 since he got his memory back. I honestly think it just had to do with time constraints on balancing and they probably felt Ein and Leon were too similar to Hitomi and Bayman. We may see them before launch we may not. We may get them as DLC down the road, who knows.

 

[Conun]

I really doubt DOA5 will add more characters with DLC when DOA4 didn't do a thing like that and they mentioned that they weren't gonna get too much into DLC. It is likely that they will sell fanservice with the female characters then call it a day.(pretty much seems like what they are doing.)

Wait till game comes out and they say "You guys wanted Leon and Ein"? I am sorry but we didn't think that many people cared for them and we are sorry for the disappointment that we have caused the fans...(happens with fighting games all the time and not because they didn't know.)

 

[Raansu]

I really doubt DOA5 will add more characters with DLC when DOA4 didn't do a thing like that and they mentioned that they weren't gonna get too much into DLC. It is likely that they will sell fanservice with the female characters then call it a day.(pretty much seems like what they are doing.)

Wait till game comes out and they say "You guys wanted Leon and Ein"? I am sorry but we didn't think that many people cared for them and we are sorry for the disappointment that we have caused the fans...(happens with fighting games all the time and not because they didn't know.)

Itagaki was causing problems for the company at that time though. All his games were rushed and in the end he left and sued the company. If you go back and read the stuff going on back then he didn't even want to make DoA4. He only made it because he was offered a bonus of which he never received which is part of why he left and sued the company. It also explains why NG2 felt so half assed compared to NG1.

You also need to remember that the concept of DLC was still extremely new when DoA4 came out. It wasn't a common concept like it is today.

 

[DR2K]

Games have to be designed with DLC in mind before release, DOA4 was an 360 launch game. This DOA does and will have DLC, but most of it will be costume related.

 

[grap3fruitman]

I don't think you guys should be giving up on Leon or Ein for DOA5 just yet.

Trust us when we say they're gone. It's unfortunate but if you think otherwise you'll be disappointed come September 25th.

If they do make a DOA5 hardcore it'll probably be an arcade release, with eventual console update in the future. This time Wii U and PC get a release as well.

I can see Wii U getting an updated DOA5 but that's it. I wish PC was an option, I would <3 the modding potential. I'm not referring to stupid skins either.

Ein could easily be retconned into the story like Hayate looked like him and they just called him Ein to replace him with the original Ein gone missing.

If you really wanted to make Ein cannon again it'd be really easy. In DOA1, Kasumi set out to avenge Hayate's death, right? In DOA2, a clone of Hayate managed to survive a helicopter crash in Germany, learned Karate and called himself "Ein." He eventually gained the memories of the actual Hayate and took that place in the Hajimon clan. They have a hundred clones of Kasumi but they couldn't get another clone of Hayate to work? I find that hard to believe and it'd be just as simple as saying "Oh, here's another Hayate clone who also practices karate and is called 'Ein.'" Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Rig is another Hayate clone and that's the reason for his lack of memory as well except this time he learned TKD. Whatever, fighting game stories are stupid but do whatever you need to do to give me awesome set-places to fight in.

 

[Rikuto]

If they do make a DOA5 hardcore it'll probably be an arcade release, with eventual console update in the future. This time Wii U and PC get a release as well.

Arcade releases are not exactly what I would call "profitable" in the modern era. There is a reason 99.9% of gaming developers avoid it. Unless you have a previously established following its basically just black hole to invest into as a gaming developer.

And they don't have a following.

 

[CyberEvil]

Trust us when we say they're gone. It's unfortunate but if you think otherwise you'll be disappointed come September 25th.


I can see Wii U getting an updated DOA5 but that's it. I wish PC was an option, I would <3 the modding potential. I'm not referring to stupid skins either.


If you really wanted to make Ein cannon again it'd be really easy. In DOA1, Kasumi set out to avenge Hayate's death, right? In DOA2, a clone of Hayate managed to survive a helicopter crash in Germany, learned Karate and called himself "Ein." He eventually gained the memories of the actual Hayate and took that place in the Hajimon clan. They have a hundred clones of Kasumi but they couldn't get another clone of Hayate to work? I find that hard to believe and it'd be just as simple as saying "Oh, here's another Hayate clone who also practices karate and is called 'Ein.'" Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Rig is another Hayate clone and that's the reason for his lack of memory as well except this time he learned TKD. Whatever, fighting game stories are stupid but do whatever you need to do to give me awesome set-places to fight in.

All true except Hayate didn't actually die. Still, your clone idea works just fine for getting Ein back.

 

[EMPEROR_COW]

Lets just pray for DLC ...
cuz the way I see it now... theres really no other chance of these characters making it ...
not LEON .. not Ein ... hell possibly one more...
time's realllllllllllllly running short

 

[grap3fruitman]

Hayate did die. Why else would Kasumi need to avenge him? It's the whole premis behind DOA1's story and why Kasumi became a "runaway" Shinobi.

 

[Deleted member 473]

Hayate did die. Why else would Kasumi need to avenge him? It's the whole premis behind DOA1's story and why Kasumi became a "runaway" Shinobi.

Hayate didnt die! He was injured and knocked unconscious by using the Sky Torn Blast Versus Raidou. This made Kasumi angry and wanted revenge. She fled instead of listening to the village elders...

 

[Rikuto]

Hayate did die. Why else would Kasumi need to avenge him? It's the whole premis behind DOA1's story and why Kasumi became a "runaway" Shinobi.

It depends on which version of the events you consider canon. DOAD was very liberal with its story telling. In the numbered series however he was stated as being "crippled", not killed. And yea, crippling a sibling is definitely cause for revenge. During his incapacitation he was kidnapped.


DOAD either deliberately retconned this, or one of the games had a serious mistranslation.

 

[Matt Ponton]

Gill and I watched the DOAD story mode being played (it's in the media library btw) and nowhere does it actually say that the Hayate of today is a clone/That the Ein that escaped was a clone/That Hayate died from Raidou's attack, from what we saw at least.

 

[Arnell Long]

Hayate's story after the altercation with Radiou isn't accurately explained. So lets just say Ein is the "real" Hayate who had survived and later escaped, well that still doesn't change the fact that he was indeed "cloned".

So I'm still sticking to what I stated many times over.

Only way Ein could be in DOA5 "story wise" is if a Clone escaped from DOATEC prior to the explosion and somehow had all of Hayate's memories but realizes he is a clone and eventually has to develop a persona/life of his own, thus being his main objective in DOA5. ==>Or if Team Ninja just wants to add him in, which at this point, is highly unlikely.<==

I can't help but to have interest in seeing past characters such as "Raidou, Genra, Tengu, Leon, Ein, etc" in DOA5's new art direction.

 

[grap3fruitman]

DOA2: Why does Helena recognize Ein and why does she ask him if he's no longer under mind control? Kasumi Alpha, another clone, is still under mind control because she didn't suffer any sort of injuries like Ein did.

 

[CyberEvil]

Because Hayate was captured alive to be cloned. You can't clone a corpse. Not seeing your logic, grap3.

 

[Deleted member 473]

Ein was unconscious after he got into that fight with Raidou. He was then put into Project Epsilon where he was monitored by Lisa. Then he escaped, thats where he met Helena then Hitomi then Kasumi. Then he got his memory back.

 

[TRI Mike]

>Gets captured and his memory erased.
>Makes a bunch of huge-titted bitches fall for him.

Well played Hayate.

 

[UnD34D]

I always figured he suffered amnesia after he was blown into a fucking tree, Project Epsilon tries to clone him, decides Kasumi is a better ninja or some shit, since the cloning facility is in Germany, he escapes but has no memory, just knows he doesn't wanna be dead. So he's chilling in Germany or whatevs, gets trained by Hitomi's dad, eventually gets his memory back.

 

[RoboJoe]

>Gets captured and his memory erased.
>Makes a bunch of huge-titted bitches fall for him.

Well played Hayate.

Most of those huge-titted bitches were his sisters.

 

[Matt Ponton]

Most? Don't you mean Both?

And they fell for him before he had his memory erased.