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Should The Ends of the Earth stage be banned? 2/3 or 3/5 matches?


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Matt Ponton

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Let me ask this. Hypothetically, if the new patch fixed the position spawning of Sanctuary, would it be playable?

I personally disagree. I feel more comfortable with 3 rounds since doa is mostly a guessing game. Especially against the higher damage characters, 3 rounds is a fair advantage in this game. I am curious as to why people prefer 2 rounds though.

To be clear, it's matches people are discussing, not rounds. Matches will remain at best 3 out of 5 rounds.
 

Something-Unique

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i think ur mistaking rounds for matches.

Edit: @Sorwah it would simply be a more tolerable stage with the spawning fixed but it doesn't change the fact it's a stupid one that creates really random situations. The slip stun effect from water is just silly especially when its down near everywhere.

Edit 2: I'm in the boat that would love the dojo stage to be a part of the random select feature. It's a plain looking stage but it's just as diverse in the metagame as any other stage is. Nothing to disrupt u but ur own faults vs ur opponent.
 

Raansu

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i think ur mistaking rounds for matches.

Edit: @Sorwah it would simply be a more tolerable stage with the spawning fixed but it doesn't change the fact it's a stupid one that creates really random situations. The slip stun effect from water is just silly especially when its down near everywhere.

Edit 2: I'm in the boat that would love the dojo stage to be a part of the random select feature. It's a plain looking stage but it's just as diverse in the metagame as any other stage is. Nothing to disrupt u but ur own faults vs ur opponent.

But you can still avoid it in sanctuary unlike EotE. That's the key difference here. I don't hate slippery surfaces, I hate when I can't get away from it when I don't want to be in it.
 

DrDogg

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Also I agree with the best 2/3 format. 3/5 doesn't flow well at all for this game.

How does it not flow well?

The underlying point of a tournament is to determine the best player in attendance. Ideally, you'd want to play a round robin, but that doesn't happen because of time constraints. So when time is no longer a factor (for the most part), why would you want to play 2/3 instead of 3/5?

I much prefer 3/5 in Soul Calibur at MLG compared to the normal 2/3 in standard tournament play. I don't see how that differs when it comes to DOA5.

Let me ask this. Hypothetically, if the new patch fixed the position spawning of Sanctuary, would it be playable?

I think so. It wouldn't be all that different from Primal at that point. You never spawn in the water in Primal, but I would still look at it the same way.
 

Something-Unique

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How does it not flow well?

The underlying point of a tournament is to determine the best player in attendance. Ideally, you'd want to play a round robin, but that doesn't happen because of time constraints. So when time is no longer a factor (for the most part), why would you want to play 2/3 instead of 3/5?

I much prefer 3/5 in Soul Calibur at MLG compared to the normal 2/3 in standard tournament play. I don't see how that differs when it comes to DOA5.

To be honest for the most part all fg's deserve a 3/5 format. I don't know how to explain it but for whatever reason this game doesn't feel like it needs that format. I can't give u a subjective reason other than to me that's my preference for this game unless it's winners, losers, and grand finals.
 

Rikuto

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I can't think of any logical reason why a person would prefer 2/3 other than the feeling of "oh god, i hope they won't figure me out in time".

Granted in a guessing game thats probably the closest thing you can feel to superiority.
 

Something-Unique

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Then open ur mind. It always seems so close minded and jaded. It's simple, I don't feel this game requires 3/5 format but I also don't care which one is the standard.

I play Mila. There's not much to figure out supposedly. Just saying!
 

Rikuto

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Then open ur mind. It always seems so close minded and jaded. It's simple, I don't feel this game requires 3/5 format but I also don't care which one is the standard.

I play Mila. There's not much to figure out supposedly. Just saying!

It's open. You have admittedly supplied no reason whatsoever for your stance. If you can't explain it, how can I accept it? You force me to draw my own conclusion, since you haven't been able to draw your own. See, my mind WAS open.

If you aren't going to interpret your stance clearly, then you force me to do it for you and that makes it sound jaded.

So let's avoid that. Dig deep and tell me why you think 2/3 is better.
 

Something-Unique

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Hence why I said I can't give u a subjective reason for it in the initial post. I'm not taking a stance as I don't care about either. To me this game in particular would give u the same result in a 2/3 or 3/5 format.

The conclusion u came up with is both typical from u as well as silly. Especially if a rundown of my entire FG MM history (extended sets with added pressure, the kind u don't get from tournaments) which is like 40+ wins and like 5 losses with the last 3 being 5-0 against Russia's best and 5-2/5-1 against Singapore's 2nd best. Even in this gams based on my personal exp the longer the set the worse it looks for my opponent. lt's also silly because if I was afraid of people figuring me out in time I wouldn't offer up MM challenges like I have in this game for future events let alone put up $60 to win someone else's money back for them.

If anything I prefer the format so I can get through the damn tournament faster to move on but once again I reiterate that I ultimately do not care. One of the dumbest things you can do in life is to blindly assume shit as fact. Your logic is stupid. Anyone who knows me in the fg community knows i'm always willing to put the money up in probably the most difficult extended sets u can have.
 

BlackxxxMamba

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I feel the same way. I like 3/5 matches for SC5, but to me, it just doesn't flow well with DOA5. I remember watching the Seasons Beatings stream with the 3/5 format and I hated it. I think it's because the life bars are so big for this game and MOST characters don't do as much damage, the matches really dragged out. I hated watching that tournament and I was wishing for it to just be over already...

Even playing under the 3/5 format was a little annoying. I just personally found it to be unnecessary. If the rules were 3/5 matches, it's not a Deal Breaker for me or anything, I just personally prefer 2/3 matches for DOA5. (Up until Winners, Losers, and Grand Finals where they are 3/5 matches.)
 

Rikuto

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Hence why I said I can't give u a subjective reason for it in the initial post. I'm not taking a stance as I don't care about either. To me this game in particular would give u the same result in a 2/3 or 3/5 format.

The conclusion u came up with is both typical from u as well as silly. Especially if a rundown of my entire FG MM history (extended sets with added pressure, the kind u don't get from tournaments) which is like 40+ wins and like 5 losses with the last 3 being 5-0 against Russia's best and 5-2/5-1 against Singapore's 2nd best. Even in this gams based on my personal exp the longer the set the worse it looks for my opponent. lt's also silly because if I was afraid of people figuring me out in time I wouldn't offer up MM challenges like I have in this game for future events let alone put up $60 to win someone else's money back for them.

If anything I prefer the format so I can get through the damn tournament faster to move on but once again I reiterate that I ultimately do not care. One of the dumbest things you can do in life is to blindly assume shit as fact. Your logic is stupid. Anyone who knows me in the fg community knows i'm always willing to put the money up in probably the most difficult extended sets u can have.

I can't think of any logical reason why a person would prefer 2/3 other than the feeling of "oh god, i hope they won't figure me out in time".

I see you are still bitter over the last conversation we had. I was attempting to find a conclusion for you, since you were/are unable to find your own. I never stated it was the reason, I simply stated it was the only one I could think of.

Cool your jets, Bucko.

If you want to make the reasoning behind your stance simply being that you want the tournament to move faster (which is interesting since we're not exactly looking at KOF length matches) then that's alright. I'm not going to probe into why you feel that way. Though I will continue to draw my own conclusions, because thats something that everybody, including yourself, clearly does.

I'm an arrogant little bastard who thinks for himself. It's offensive and inconvenient, I know. But you'll just have to deal with it from time to time.

Cheers.
 

DR2K

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I actually think health needs to be lowered to small(not smallest). I have to be brutally honest the matches being played on stream weren't exciting whatsoever. They drag on too long.

This is from a spectator point of view.
 

virtuaPAI

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I swear 3/5 feel like I'm playing the set for way too long. IMO the better player is the one that is able to adapt the quickest, and put on the most pressure. Adding more rounds take away from this.
 

DR2K

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I can 100% guarantee that DOA5 will never be played on anything other than Normal life settings when it comes to IPL.

As a player I'm glad, as a viewer I just hope the upcoming patch allows for more characters to do more damage quicker.
 
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