Diablo 3
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Headshotdemon40
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im in
Headshotdemon40
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for this game is it beta your playing or did you buy the game, i ask this because i want to play the game but i have no clue on how to download this game at all.
Headshotdemon40
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nvm im downloading the game.
d3v
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You can get it from the official site.
Rikuto
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I wouldn't go that far. They all have their strengths in my mind.
Diablo 2 had the best narrative easily, while Diablo 1 had the best atmosphere hands down. Diablo 3 has the best and most coherent gameplay... after all, for a hack and slash to not get old you need a lot of destructability and eye candy and D3 really hits this perfectly.
What D3 fucked up on was story. My god, it had a bad story. Some of the dialogue is like power rangers bad. Maghda actually appears to resemble Rita, too. That really doesn't help things.
Still, D3 has a lot of promise for more content and additional multiplayer support since they are trying to monetize the auction house. That alone can help to redeem the wretched story.
Diablo 2 had the best narrative easily, while Diablo 1 had the best atmosphere hands down. Diablo 3 has the best and most coherent gameplay... after all, for a hack and slash to not get old you need a lot of destructability and eye candy and D3 really hits this perfectly.
What D3 fucked up on was story. My god, it had a bad story. Some of the dialogue is like power rangers bad. Maghda actually appears to resemble Rita, too. That really doesn't help things.
Still, D3 has a lot of promise for more content and additional multiplayer support since they are trying to monetize the auction house. That alone can help to redeem the wretched story.
Raansu
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I don't hate Diablo 3, it's just a lot of little things that feel pointless or went backwards to me and the games balance is completely jacked up.
Why is a random unique mob one shotting people and takes twice as much effort to kill then a boss fight?
Why do I need to identify rare items when there are no longer identify scrolls? Seems kind of pointless.
Why is crafting completely random? I can craft the same item 20 times and never craft a piece that my character can use...But hey, I'm rich now because I can sell all that crap on an auction house...yay.
Why is there no stat allotment?
Why does my level 10 gear look exactly like my level 50 gear? Last I checked this is a loot base game...
Rune system is ok I guess, but it feels restrictive compared to D2's skill tree's.
At least they added elective mode in the retail version. In the beta there was no elective mode thus your abilities were completely locked into the keybind that it was assigned to...That was absolutely horrible.
When pvp shows up, my wizard will completely dominate any melee class... I can see why they delayed the pvp. Class balance is completely broken. If you're not a wizard or a demon hunter you are not going to survive hell/inferno and blizzard just nerfed monks mantra of healing run boon of protection, making it impossible for them to survive.
Edit:
And yes...that story was terrible...didn't make any sense and completely contradicted D1 and D2's story...
Also, why can't I play offline!? I'm getting tired of wanting to play when swtor is down and there is freaking maintenance in D3 as well...fuck....seriously? I just want to play solo for like 20 minutes... And when the servers are online my ping is like always over 300...wtf?
Why is a random unique mob one shotting people and takes twice as much effort to kill then a boss fight?
Why do I need to identify rare items when there are no longer identify scrolls? Seems kind of pointless.
Why is crafting completely random? I can craft the same item 20 times and never craft a piece that my character can use...But hey, I'm rich now because I can sell all that crap on an auction house...yay.
Why is there no stat allotment?
Why does my level 10 gear look exactly like my level 50 gear? Last I checked this is a loot base game...
Rune system is ok I guess, but it feels restrictive compared to D2's skill tree's.
At least they added elective mode in the retail version. In the beta there was no elective mode thus your abilities were completely locked into the keybind that it was assigned to...That was absolutely horrible.
When pvp shows up, my wizard will completely dominate any melee class... I can see why they delayed the pvp. Class balance is completely broken. If you're not a wizard or a demon hunter you are not going to survive hell/inferno and blizzard just nerfed monks mantra of healing run boon of protection, making it impossible for them to survive.
Edit:
And yes...that story was terrible...didn't make any sense and completely contradicted D1 and D2's story...
Also, why can't I play offline!? I'm getting tired of wanting to play when swtor is down and there is freaking maintenance in D3 as well...fuck....seriously? I just want to play solo for like 20 minutes... And when the servers are online my ping is like always over 300...wtf?
Rikuto
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There is logic behind most these decisions, actually.
Storyline based mobs always fight the same way every time, so you can get the pattern down too easily for the kind of rewards they supposedly give out. Giving randomly generated rare mobs increased difficulty and payout also makes life a LOT more difficult for botters because they can't do everything on an established path with the same level of success. This also encourages people to play other parts of the game aside from the boss fights, thus giving them relevance.
And not every unique mob is going to be a wrecking ball... just some of them. You are required to kill up to five for stacks of nephalem valor by level 60, so they can't be pushovers.
It is. I blame this on indecision during development. I imagine it will be patched out eventually.
There is a VERY important reason for this.... its called gold sink. Crafting costs gold that simply disappears from the game rather than trading hands. When you don't have enough gold sinks that make money vanish, the economy becomes flooded with gold and it becomes nearly impossible for newer players to attain anything later on.
Crafting is also done in a random fashion because if it was done in a static manner it would destroy the entire chance-based architecture of the equipment game.
Think about it... If you have static equipment that is always great coming out of the crafting system, why bother with hunting for uniques or browsing the auction house?
On the contrary, if the crafted equipment is always worse than uniques, why bother leveling up your crafter? You could spend a smaller amount of money on the AH and have vastly superior equipment. The only way to equalize this and make it worth the trouble is to guarantee the production of a unique with a certain number of stats, but within those stats make everything as random as possible. This adds the convenience of not having to do additional hunting for something to drop, but keeps the gambling intact for most of the stats.
More than enough ways to alter your stats with equipment, gems, and skills. I imagine somewhere along the line one of the developers felt that it was just becoming convoluted. The problem with leveling-based stat allotment is that you become locked into your choices semi-permanently in most games with no opportunity to switch things up later on. Clearly they wanted players to be able to play however they wanted to as they progressed, but they also added benefits by level 60 for sticking to your chosen skills.
For example, Nephalem valor stacks up to 5 times and will stay for 30 minutes or until another unique is killed. Each stack increases magic/gold find by 15%. If you change your skills at any point, you lose all of these stacks. The game therefore rewards you for taking a specific skillset and sticking with it from the start of a game, but gives you flexibility of changing things up next time around.
My level 60 gear looks unique to anything I've worn thus far, but there was a good deal of what you're talking about at the lower end of things. The game was built around Inferno being the end game, and hysterically less than 2% of the playerbase have reached it yet apparently. but hey, they'll get there. It's pretty fun if not annoying at times.
Storyline based mobs always fight the same way every time, so you can get the pattern down too easily for the kind of rewards they supposedly give out. Giving randomly generated rare mobs increased difficulty and payout also makes life a LOT more difficult for botters because they can't do everything on an established path with the same level of success. This also encourages people to play other parts of the game aside from the boss fights, thus giving them relevance.
And not every unique mob is going to be a wrecking ball... just some of them. You are required to kill up to five for stacks of nephalem valor by level 60, so they can't be pushovers.
It is. I blame this on indecision during development. I imagine it will be patched out eventually.
There is a VERY important reason for this.... its called gold sink. Crafting costs gold that simply disappears from the game rather than trading hands. When you don't have enough gold sinks that make money vanish, the economy becomes flooded with gold and it becomes nearly impossible for newer players to attain anything later on.
Crafting is also done in a random fashion because if it was done in a static manner it would destroy the entire chance-based architecture of the equipment game.
Think about it... If you have static equipment that is always great coming out of the crafting system, why bother with hunting for uniques or browsing the auction house?
On the contrary, if the crafted equipment is always worse than uniques, why bother leveling up your crafter? You could spend a smaller amount of money on the AH and have vastly superior equipment. The only way to equalize this and make it worth the trouble is to guarantee the production of a unique with a certain number of stats, but within those stats make everything as random as possible. This adds the convenience of not having to do additional hunting for something to drop, but keeps the gambling intact for most of the stats.
More than enough ways to alter your stats with equipment, gems, and skills. I imagine somewhere along the line one of the developers felt that it was just becoming convoluted. The problem with leveling-based stat allotment is that you become locked into your choices semi-permanently in most games with no opportunity to switch things up later on. Clearly they wanted players to be able to play however they wanted to as they progressed, but they also added benefits by level 60 for sticking to your chosen skills.
For example, Nephalem valor stacks up to 5 times and will stay for 30 minutes or until another unique is killed. Each stack increases magic/gold find by 15%. If you change your skills at any point, you lose all of these stacks. The game therefore rewards you for taking a specific skillset and sticking with it from the start of a game, but gives you flexibility of changing things up next time around.
My level 60 gear looks unique to anything I've worn thus far, but there was a good deal of what you're talking about at the lower end of things. The game was built around Inferno being the end game, and hysterically less than 2% of the playerbase have reached it yet apparently. but hey, they'll get there. It's pretty fun if not annoying at times.
Rikuto
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True, but there isn't a way to make the crafting entirely static without making it destroying one or more aspects of the game.
Diablo is super super super RNG. Everything about it is RNG. When you wipe your ass in Diablo, you're playing RNG on whether or not a gold nugget falls out. The moment you remove that aspect of it, it's not Diablo.
And like I said, the crafting still serves a purpose... convenience. You are removing the RNG factor for what item type is being generated and what grade it is... that's a massive time saver. You still plenty of RNG after that though as far as the stats go, and that's the spirit of the Diablo.
Diablo is super super super RNG. Everything about it is RNG. When you wipe your ass in Diablo, you're playing RNG on whether or not a gold nugget falls out. The moment you remove that aspect of it, it's not Diablo.
And like I said, the crafting still serves a purpose... convenience. You are removing the RNG factor for what item type is being generated and what grade it is... that's a massive time saver. You still plenty of RNG after that though as far as the stats go, and that's the spirit of the Diablo.
Allan Paris
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Do not mind this post at all, continue on with this topic.
Arnell, can you see this post?!
Arnell, can you see this post?!
Arnell Long
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Yep. I sure can see your post.
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Allan Paris
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Yeah, I didn't see your like nor your comment. It does give me the option to look at what you posted. But I see NO-ting that you post or like.
Again, sorry for the slight derailment.