UnD34D
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If I were there I'd probably go just because I like Philly so much, plus man, I need a sub from the king of subs!!!! I'll settle for winning whatever comp is at TGS I guess.
DOA: Flaws and Tournament Viability
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DrDogg
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But Philly in December... that's so cold. >_<
Game Over
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If you can't take the cold, stay out of the ... ...
... oh, wait!
Sounds like the tournament-equivalent of WWE's "jobber" status.
I LOVE how they have a shirt for this! lol
MasterHavik
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it's for a free copy of DOA 5 collector edition. You're saving yourself 80 dollars. People want that.
dude just go.
Raansu
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You think we just make this shit up on the spot? Tier lists are made by studying how each characters tool sets match up to the system and how well they can play within the mechanics compared to other members of the cast among many other variables. Fact is Zack is a low tier character. Doesn't matter if someone can play them well or not, low tier is low tier.
DriftSlave
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not going to dispute tiers but Tira was considered low tier in SCV...and we all seen EVO, but overall tier list are ok for certain things....
Raansu
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You failed to read the last part of my sentence. Also I know very little about SCV so I wont touch that tier list. I will say that SCV is still young in regards of tier lists being built. DoA4 tier list has been set in stone for many years now.
DrDogg
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It's a double-edged sword for me. If I go and win, then I'm taking prizes away from an event that was geared toward the competitive community in an effort to promote the game. If I lose, then you have to question how it is that I lost having way more time with the game than anyone else present.
It's really better if I just not go... but we'll see how I feel. I may make a last minute decision. Plus if lots of people will be at MLG, I may be able to win SC without practicing. ^_^
DriftSlave
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no I did, I was just saying in general because AE's tier list are rather BS too, im just saying that it's more true for certain games then others....again in SCV there were no Viola's in Top 8.
in DOA4 though i completely agree with you...
DrDogg
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If it's about winning the prizes unfairly, pass them on to second place.
No!
Evo seeding had a lot to do with that though. It's easily one of the most poorly seeded majors around. I understand it's basically random seeding, and the amount of entrants makes it difficult to seed properly, but it's still very poorly seeded.
One example, Kayane made it out of her pool in loser's bracket, then didn't win a single match. She placed top 32. I made it out of my pool in winner's bracket before losing, and I only placed top 64. Kayane placed higher than me because, after making it out of pools, she got two byes before she had to play her next match. Now I'm not saying I'm better than Kayane at SC because I'm clearly not, but in what tournament do you get byes (2 byes no less) AFTER you make it out of pools?
In addition, there were a bunch of killer pools in which a lot of top 8 contenders knocked each other out (Kayane was in one of these pools). Then you had a lot of easy pools with not a single big name. Evo is still the biggest fighting game tournament, but top 8 at Evo isn't always representative of top 8 at the game.
BlackxxxMamba
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Fuck Evo Seeding!
UnD34D
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The SCV finals aren't the only time a low tier character has won. Doesn't make them not low tier. Tiers exist, tier lists happen and as long as they are well thought out, explained, and reasonable, they can surely apply, even if someone has a few differences. I looked at an event hubs tier lists for AE 2012 that was done in March, it says Seth is the best character in the game, having the most good matchups, and I never considered him the best before, but I can definitely see it.
DriftSlave
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I agree with certain tier list, but like I said before others are questionable due to results and because of said results people get butt hurt when they see a character that was apparently low tier win a major. Like post patch nerfed Natsu taking a major, to KOFXIII's grand finals at Evo(Ralf is considered on of the worse). I never doubt that those characters abilities, in fact I think KOFXIII is one of the few fighting games where I believe everyone is viable.
im not disputing a well thought out tier list, but more often then not we get the tier hype and a so called "random" blows shit up, So that's where I was coming from.
I dunno why folks are bitchin' about tiers in the first place.
I mean, if your character is shit, and you can win or do well in tourneys like it ain't shit, you should feel like THE shit instead of just feeling LIKE shit. Such is a benefit of dedicating yourself to a shit character because they actually like their dad-gummed shit character, and not because they have more bullshit tools and less jack-shit tools. In the end, the best motivator is yourself... if you wanna be that shit-character player that rocks players that do good shit, be that shit.
Yeah, I know some folks will say "Horseshit", but I don't give a shit.
I mean, if your character is shit, and you can win or do well in tourneys like it ain't shit, you should feel like THE shit instead of just feeling LIKE shit. Such is a benefit of dedicating yourself to a shit character because they actually like their dad-gummed shit character, and not because they have more bullshit tools and less jack-shit tools. In the end, the best motivator is yourself... if you wanna be that shit-character player that rocks players that do good shit, be that shit.
Yeah, I know some folks will say "Horseshit", but I don't give a shit.
UnD34D
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Stop saying shit so much, its not becoming of you.
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Tiers dont mean jack shit. You dont have to have set rules around a character, you make the character the character dont make you, period.
Raansu
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Tiers give you knowledge of a characters strength and weakness and how well their tools apply to the mechanics of the game. I don't see why this concept is so difficult to grasp. It's not meant to say "hey these are the only characters who can win."
A simple example would be if most characters can CB in 2-3 hits and get do so in a single input with a sit down set up then they would be higher in the tier compared to someone who could potentially have their CB only done within a combo string and can only CB on the 4th or 5th hit would put them lower on the tier list. Jan Lee is a good example of this. He seems to be the first character so far that has a string that feints into a CB. Can he do that CB in a single input like the other characters or does he have to do that string to get to the CB? If so that limits his setups to lead into that CB. He's forced into that combo string. This would potentially lower him in the tier list.
So to say "tiers mean jack shit" is simply ignorant and you are only leaving yourself in the dark.
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