Gill Hustle
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Thanx to those who addressed Drift Slave's question.
I was at a loss for words, but what was put out is how I genuinely felt about their uses.
DOA5 Demo: Consolidated Feedback
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Thanx to those who addressed Drift Slave's question.
I was at a loss for words, but what was put out is how I genuinely felt about their uses.
Berzerk!
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Okay, Powerblow should be unholdable by mid hold to make it really threatening to players with bad habits of trying to hold everything. I don't recall being held doing a PB ever but I haven't asked anyone to lab with me and try that specifically.
Also remember everyone only a few days to submit.
Also remember everyone only a few days to submit.
Berzerk!
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Dropped another feedback on them and had to cut down the core suggestions as follows, for anyone's reference (I had room for a two line blurb at the top)
More feedback: http://freestepdodge.com/threads/doa5-demo-consolidated-feedback.633/
- Sidestep: Speed up for all characters, lower recovery, allow dashing to cancel it. Strings to track less.
- Restore 4-point hold EG to hold Mid Kicks, Forward+H: Minimises guesswork for attacker.
- Remove / delay hold while in a critical stun
- Powerblow should be unholdable by normal holds & comboable in deep stun to strengthen
- Each character must have moves that cause Guard Break and/or Frame Advantage
- Ensure there are moves that will connect after a Guard Break, and moves that cannot be Held
-When opponent escapes throw from a ledge grab, should not do any damage to attacker.
- Throw escapes: Add input throw escapes for throws (left, right and neutral inputs at the right timing), but make high counter throws/opponent in recovery inescapable.
- Decrease hitbox & remove stun from Wakeup kicks. These should be unsafe / disadvantage on block. Able to sidestep, duck, or hop over.
- Hit while Back Dashing should not be a Hi Counter Blow, just damage.
-Holds while walking backwards should require a user to return to neutral & initiate Back + Hold
Currently if you press Hold while holding Back it will perform a hold, even after a minute of pushing back. This hurts Backstepping & spacing, as when you guard an oncoming attack and you hold instead.
More feedback: http://freestepdodge.com/threads/doa5-demo-consolidated-feedback.633/
- Sidestep: Speed up for all characters, lower recovery, allow dashing to cancel it. Strings to track less.
- Restore 4-point hold EG to hold Mid Kicks, Forward+H: Minimises guesswork for attacker.
- Remove / delay hold while in a critical stun
- Powerblow should be unholdable by normal holds & comboable in deep stun to strengthen
- Each character must have moves that cause Guard Break and/or Frame Advantage
- Ensure there are moves that will connect after a Guard Break, and moves that cannot be Held
-When opponent escapes throw from a ledge grab, should not do any damage to attacker.
- Throw escapes: Add input throw escapes for throws (left, right and neutral inputs at the right timing), but make high counter throws/opponent in recovery inescapable.
- Decrease hitbox & remove stun from Wakeup kicks. These should be unsafe / disadvantage on block. Able to sidestep, duck, or hop over.
- Hit while Back Dashing should not be a Hi Counter Blow, just damage.
-Holds while walking backwards should require a user to return to neutral & initiate Back + Hold
Currently if you press Hold while holding Back it will perform a hold, even after a minute of pushing back. This hurts Backstepping & spacing, as when you guard an oncoming attack and you hold instead.
Gill Hustle
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DriftSlave
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I'd just had to ask because i felt i wasn't the only one who may have been confused on this -_-' any I wanted to see the logic behind powerblows...I personally dont want to see a new mechanic like this not being used...and with the talk of them being useless kinda enforced that so it's understandable on how i felt~ anyways I get the general mind set of it now...I couldn't find much of a uses for them in the demo outside of what Ayane can do 
DrDogg
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I'd just had to ask because i felt i wasn't the only one who may have been confused on this -_-' any I wanted to see the logic behind powerblows...I personally dont want to see a new mechanic like this not being used...and with the talk of them being useless kinda enforced that so it's understandable on how i felt~ anyways I get the general mind set of it now...I couldn't find much of a uses for them in the demo outside of what Ayane can do
Useful is a relative term. What's useful at high levels is only going to be a fraction of each character's moveset. Look at SSF4 when Capcom added a second Ultra for every character. In casual play, people use both Ultras or whichever one they like the best. In high level play, just about every character has one Ultra that is recommended and one Ultra that is garbage. Some use an alternate Ultra for specific match-ups, but for the most part it was useless for Capcom to add the second Ultra (from a high level standpoint).
We look at things very differently than the normal person, and despite how good we want the game to be, Tecmo has to cater to the casual crowd first and the tournament crowd second. The casuals need the flash.
Chris Harris
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As it stands right now PB's are basically whiff punishment, limbo stun finishers, and counter bait. Even with limbo stuns it's more of a counter bait technique cause you will prob have to extend the stun first.
The thing is out side of strong whiff punishment or fishing for a counter high level players won't use it. High level players find the best moves for the most situations (bang for your buck) and use those moves while casuals tend to use pretty much everything. It's just the difference in level of players. The PB's will be MORE than useful for the casual because they will run into them and get baited easily.
So the PB's are fine just the way they are.
The thing is out side of strong whiff punishment or fishing for a counter high level players won't use it. High level players find the best moves for the most situations (bang for your buck) and use those moves while casuals tend to use pretty much everything. It's just the difference in level of players. The PB's will be MORE than useful for the casual because they will run into them and get baited easily.
So the PB's are fine just the way they are.
Rikuto
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Soul Calibur Unblockables.... like that, only with more recovery on cancel. Yea.
Gill Hustle
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Has anyone posted about being able to record matches, more specifically for OFFLINE?
I was disgusted how the more recent fighters ONLY do it for ONLINE like KOF13 . . . when 12 had this
This is important for people who don't have all the "right tools" for uploading match vids, especially if you take your system to an offline gathering.
I was disgusted how the more recent fighters ONLY do it for ONLINE like KOF13 . . . when 12 had this
This is important for people who don't have all the "right tools" for uploading match vids, especially if you take your system to an offline gathering.
DrDogg
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Has anyone posted about being able to record matches, more specifically for OFFLINE?
I was disgusted how the more recent fighters ONLY do it for ONLINE like KOF13 . . . when 12 had this
This is important for people who don't have all the "right tools" for uploading match vids, especially if you take your system to an offline gathering.
With streaming as big as it is these days, I'm not all that concerned about having the ability to record matches. I'd much rather the dev team focus on more important additions/features.
Gill Hustle
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While that may be true, you've gotta think of the little guy.
I'm no expert on how this feature is implemented, however if it is just simply saving player inputs to memory (which was done with previous DOA's) the files were like in kb's. And following NG3's saving I can't see why it should be omitted.
It's because of that feature unknown players/games gained cult/mainstream following. It can only help the game, and I'm guessing the people in charge of putting this in, have little to no impact on gameplay elements.
edit: nevermind. It's not as good.
Keylay
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Holds performed during critical stun should have more recovery frames. The recovery frames from the stun should get added to the recovery frames of the of the hold.
For example, if you're in a stun that last for 50 frames and you perform a hold after the first 30 frames of the stun, 20 frames should be added to the recovery of the hold.
This would make it easier to punish people who abuse holds. And it would work well against people use low holds to escape high attacks.
For example, if you're in a stun that last for 50 frames and you perform a hold after the first 30 frames of the stun, 20 frames should be added to the recovery of the hold.
This would make it easier to punish people who abuse holds. And it would work well against people use low holds to escape high attacks.
Black Dragon
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Holds performed during stun should parry instead of giving damage and put both characters at 0.
Problem solved.
Problem solved.
x Sypher x
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Nope not even close lol.
x Sypher x
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Keylay
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They need to add more stuns similar to Hayabusa
An idea I'm not sure about but could be interesting is breakable normal holds if they keep the 3-point system. The attacker who was countered should get the advantage back after breaking the hold. Advanced Holds should be guaranteed.
Based of the stream today and what Rikuto said, it looks like I got my wish
. Aren't there supposed to be some articles explaining it though.
DrDogg
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Based of the stream today and what Rikuto said, it looks like I got my wish
The articles were done before E3 began, but because of the super busy nature of E3, they haven't been posted yet. Unfortunately, I have no control over when they go live.