FlamingMuffin
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The 3-part unbreakable throw that does less damage than Hitomis 33T is OP? She's wasn't broken in 5, she's just hot garbage in 5U.
DOA5U: system tweeks/character buffs and nerfs for Team NINJA
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The 3-part unbreakable throw that does less damage than Hitomis 33T is OP? She's wasn't broken in 5, she's just hot garbage in 5U.
She's so bad, I'm seriously considering switching to Eliot.
I think you're taking this a little far. Kokoro is still a fine character, and I think it's good that she lost some of her stuns. I feel like she would benefit from new moves/tools though. She seems the most unchanged for the better, and then not given anything new to balance out the nerfs she received.
Remind you that she is still a solid character as Bushido states in his guide:
+Opens people up easily
+High damage output
+Easy to pick up
+Good string mixups
+Fast 10/12/13
+Good mid range tools
+Great at baiting holds
+Great for more aggressive players
+Sexy
David Gregg
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^ Eliot isn't as horrible as ppl think but he did lose some very important tools from 5 that set him back. It's all mixup with him now and very rarely do you get guarantees (or at least...guarantees that do a significant amount of damage).
Bushido exaggerates her good points. She no longer has any low mixups. Her only mixups are her string throws. Her stun game isn't half as strong as 5, 'cause her sitdown stuns only guarantee a mid punch. Her only deep stuns are high.
EDIT: I did spend a few days learning Eliot and he's got a good low now and better range game. I'd definitely say that he was buffed compared to 5. My 3rd day Eliot does better than my Kokoro.
EDIT: I did spend a few days learning Eliot and he's got a good low now and better range game. I'd definitely say that he was buffed compared to 5. My 3rd day Eliot does better than my Kokoro.
FlamingMuffin
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Pretty much this. I don't feel like going over it again, but if you think she's still strong in 5U, I question the way you played her in 5.
Max536Drago
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My bad. I thought it did more damage. I'll get my facts right next time. lol Kokoro's fine. That unholdable stun is still really cheap.
Max536Drago
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"sexy" lololololol Her most important tool XD
Unholdable stun? Her 1T is holdable now and her sitdowns only guarantee a 66P. Leifang has better unholdables and she's a "defensive" character.
Max536Drago
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@TeamNINJAStudio #DOA5U I have some buff ideas for Alpha-152, and maybe 1 nerf. Alpha can do a special rising kick when she is down by pressing H+K. It's -24 on block, but should be -9. Alpha's 4K4K is -20 on block, but I think it should leave her at -7 so that only grapplers can throw punish it. Alpha's 7K should go back to being a guard break, but leave her at -4F so that her opponents think she has advantage. I have no more ideas (right now) for Alpha. Her 2KKK is broken, but I don't know what to do about it.
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Make Rachel's 214P 13f and go a bit farther. That's 2f slower than Kasumi's 6P, so it should only be -1 on block.
Max536Drago
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Alpha's parry was really annoying in 5. You can't block the follow up attack if your opponent doesn't stop their string and block.
It doesn't change the fact that her counters do a whopping 0 damage and typically set you up for failure. The parry was my only escape, and even in DOA5 you could escape it.
You mean the parries that are +17 on block? Those parries?
The parries don't always need to be blocked to be avoided. You can escape the range.
Musourenka
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Seriously. Hitomi does more throw damage than Kokoro at all points, with the possible exception of 10f since Hitomi's is a breakable combo throw. Fucking Ayane does more damage with throws than Kokoro even ignoring Ayane's
64T shenanigans.
d3v
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Let the game develop since it hasn't been even a month. As the old saying goes "you can't ask for well-thought-out changes off day 1, week 1, or mostly even month 1 play...and that's when the game is out and everyone's in the lab."
That is, of course, unless you want the community to end up as bad as Injustice's.
That is, of course, unless you want the community to end up as bad as Injustice's.
Zod's got hilarious glitches. Keep Injustice as the broken mess it is. Put it on the shelf next to ASB.
Saber
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Amen to that. I despise the ground game in DOA5U because FTs are missing except for everyone Rachel and Sarah, both of which are easy to pull off. Heck, even Genfu has a reset that puts him at +15.
I just want the rushdown game back. And Kokoro back to her strength in DOA5 1.03A.
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