Max536Drago
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So you're saying that you want Kokoro's 6P+K to stun on normal hit again? Na dude. If anything that's what really made her broken, and why she got S tier on my tier list. Speaking of that, I need to post it here on FSD.
DOA5U: system tweeks/character buffs and nerfs for Team NINJA
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David Gregg
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I really wish TN would reconsider restoring Eliot's 7P stun, his 6P+K which used to have followups, and most importantly the original bound his 6H+K had. It's killing me that once I successfully land H+K I can't use 6P+K he really needed it.
Max536Drago
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7P is Eliot's 9 frame attack, right? It doesn't stun anymore or something? It never stunned deep in DOA5 anyway.
David Gregg
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Now it doesn't do anything. No advantage just pushes back your opponent slightly and resets.
Max536Drago
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That sucks! XD Just look at the move. He does it really fast with his palm, in your face. It should give +2.
Max536Drago
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I'm going over each character in order to look for buffs and nerfs, so when I get up to Eliot, I'll set'em straight. lol
MasterHavik
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People saying kokoro and Eliot aren't crap are just in lalala land. I swear I have been having a ball while people been emo about their mains. Zack is so much better in this game. He's missing a few tools though and maybe one small nerf.
Nerf
Make 4k not sitdown stun anymroe on hit.
Buff
Make 8p sitdown stun
Give 236PPP back to us
Restore 4H+K to bound status
make either 214T or 66T an OH?
I mean I think he needs an OH to cover up how easy he is to crush.
Nerf
Make 4k not sitdown stun anymroe on hit.
Buff
Make 8p sitdown stun
Give 236PPP back to us
Restore 4H+K to bound status
make either 214T or 66T an OH?
I mean I think he needs an OH to cover up how easy he is to crush.
Tenryuga
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Kokoro was never broken in this game. She received unnessecary nerfs since release. You would have to be a delusional Kokoro player to not realize the hits she took in 5U but I do like her bounds. Really the only thing that needed to go from this character was 6P+K as that was a ridiculously braindead tool MANY Kokoro players used as a crutch and panic button.
Losing that wasn't a nerf to me because I had the foresight to see something like this coming and not mold my playstyle around it. With that gone people can actually learn how to play the damn character now. Really though 1T, 3K4K, 8P6P and any other stuns did not need to be touched. I don't recall hearing any complaints about those moves. The only thing Kokoro needed was a tracking mid or low. That was all and she would have been a complete character with the tools she needed to fight everyone.
That seems to be TN's problem in general. They will have characters that are good to go and only need slight tweaks to be complete then give them the shaft.. Anyway I still think Kokoro is playable though she is no way in hell better than what she was in vanilla 5 atm.
@ My fellow Kokoro players I think we should try to look for possible alternative playstyles to mitigate the damage of the nerfs. Because really it's not a good look when someone new to 5U comes into the Kokoro forums and sees her players whining about what she lost and not figuring out what she may have gained from the new system in 5U. For now let's try to manage.
Then when the balance patch draws near we need to blast team ninjas twitter. It will be a joint effort because team ninja won't listen to a single individual. If an entire community of players backs specific suggestions the rate of the changes being made is higher. This goes toward everyone else that may be discontent with their character as well. Right now we are only 2 weeks into the games life. Give yourselves time to discover tech for your character and adjust to the new system before you are ready to conclude both are trash. (I really would like the invincibility on grounded opponents to be lowered though. I don't know what this game has against giving some characters good oki other than generic 2P.)
Losing that wasn't a nerf to me because I had the foresight to see something like this coming and not mold my playstyle around it. With that gone people can actually learn how to play the damn character now. Really though 1T, 3K4K, 8P6P and any other stuns did not need to be touched. I don't recall hearing any complaints about those moves. The only thing Kokoro needed was a tracking mid or low. That was all and she would have been a complete character with the tools she needed to fight everyone.
That seems to be TN's problem in general. They will have characters that are good to go and only need slight tweaks to be complete then give them the shaft.. Anyway I still think Kokoro is playable though she is no way in hell better than what she was in vanilla 5 atm.
@ My fellow Kokoro players I think we should try to look for possible alternative playstyles to mitigate the damage of the nerfs. Because really it's not a good look when someone new to 5U comes into the Kokoro forums and sees her players whining about what she lost and not figuring out what she may have gained from the new system in 5U. For now let's try to manage.
Then when the balance patch draws near we need to blast team ninjas twitter. It will be a joint effort because team ninja won't listen to a single individual. If an entire community of players backs specific suggestions the rate of the changes being made is higher. This goes toward everyone else that may be discontent with their character as well. Right now we are only 2 weeks into the games life. Give yourselves time to discover tech for your character and adjust to the new system before you are ready to conclude both are trash. (I really would like the invincibility on grounded opponents to be lowered though. I don't know what this game has against giving some characters good oki other than generic 2P.)
AkaShocka
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Kokoro being broken or OP? OMG come on now, she barely tracks and her sitdown sounds only guarantee a mid punch (That may not be right so don't attack me on that 1). And if you guys are saying she's broken then everyone else in the game are broken then. Yall complain about the most stupid things, Kokoro NEVER tracks except on a few moves like H+K. But that move is a high, you either duck it or block it. But seriously? Calling Kokoro broken, n that's just sad as hell. But since we are saying she's broken, lets see who else is broken because they obviously have better tools than her: lets see, we have Christie, Ayane, Kasumi, Sarah(of course lol), Gen Fu, Hitomi AND THE REST OF THE CAST! Not really saying Kokoro is the worst, I'm just saying ALOT of characters have far more tools than her, but yall like such and such character so you think she's not broken. Smh, get outta here with that. Kokoro is just fine the way she is and in 5U I don't think she is any better but she's not terrible. Like Tenryuga said, she got unessecary nerfs. Smh. A character that barely tracks is called broken. Yall are sad and funny at the same time.
Max536Drago
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Can someone tell me what "bound" is? I've never heard of it.
David Gregg
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Ground bounce.
It's when they slowly flip and hit the ground. Like if you do KK as Ein (I think).
MasterHavik
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You don't know that? Dude your girl has them and they're pretty good for her.
lol. Hitomi has the worst bounds. She Osu!s through the entire thing.
MasterHavik
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Oh wait yeah...sorry about that. I wanna kill the tester and programmer who thought that was "good"?
Max536Drago
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Hahaha I know, right. She's like Jann Lee in that way XD
Max536Drago
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She can get bound from her 8K and combo off of it.
Max536Drago
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I don't mind it Havik, she can still get it from 8K, in maximum stun. It is however unfair that Gen Fu can get it after he does his 4P6PP (I think) and Hitomi can't get it from her 4PPP
MasterHavik
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Yo Max your posting good stuff, but stop triple posting and double posting. Keep all responses in one post dude. Also 8k off of her boudns is trash considering how someone like Mila and Tina
can get 100 off of it. Zack can too on CH.
can get 100 off of it. Zack can too on CH.
Max536Drago
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