@Jadeinchains's name is Johnny?
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Yes, but let's keep this confidential just between us. >.>
Jadeinchains
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Lol no its not! XD
UpSideDownGRUNT
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Guess you could say it made him Braver
Hayabusiness
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I really hope he doesn't go to work on Gran Blue Fantasy.
Why? XD
Hayabusiness
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Because
it's a game filled with depraved things. There is a whole race of loli-height cow girls with giant tits, and an old scientist man who turned himself into a blonde princess loli because it arouses him, and probably many more things. Plus it looks like a more anime and fanservice version of the classic fantasy FF aesthetic, and it's filled with gacha and microtransictions.
Basically a lot of ex-Square are working on it or are working with the company, it's depressing because it's a creative black hole and all it does is cater to the lowest common denominators while mixing it with the same old. Not to mention, I really dislike lolicon and waifu culture and the game is choke full of it. Some people call it "waifu collector" and the general on 4chan is filled with cuck shitposting, because the fanbase is filled with scared waifu lovers who are afraid a character that doesn't exist might chat on them. Yeah, /vg/ is the worst part of a fanbase but it's the one with the ugly truths.
Basically a lot of ex-Square are working on it or are working with the company, it's depressing because it's a creative black hole and all it does is cater to the lowest common denominators while mixing it with the same old. Not to mention, I really dislike lolicon and waifu culture and the game is choke full of it. Some people call it "waifu collector" and the general on 4chan is filled with cuck shitposting, because the fanbase is filled with scared waifu lovers who are afraid a character that doesn't exist might chat on them. Yeah, /vg/ is the worst part of a fanbase but it's the one with the ugly truths.
But let's not dwell too much into this and go off topic.
The fact that this guy left is pretty sad. I fear it might tell us something about the current state of Square, or simply the state of Square has been in during the last ten or even twenty years. I guess it's impossible for them to stay the same forever, but it's something to see the company change and morph right before your eyes.
Wait, it is that Granblue Fantasy that was also announced for PS4 on this TGS?
It actually looked quite cool and I was interested. It looked like a Tales of Game just with a way higher budget, ambition and set in a beautifully crafted (open?) world. So it is that kind of a game... :/ I guess a couple of guys in this forum will absolutely love that. (Nope, not going to drop any names. XD)
Regarding Yusuke Naora it sounded more as if he wanted to be a freelance artist in the future and move with his family back to his home town. But who knows why he left. Lol, I'd kill for the job he has/had. XD
Hayabusiness
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Actually that's a spin off collab with Platinum and it looks okay (the loli is extremely grating to the ears tho). Not sure how high the budget will be.
The main game is a mobile/browser game with microtransictions and gacha, plus a lot of fanservice, and a very... I'd say generic Final Fantasy feeling, since the main artist is the dude from FFIX and some parts of XII. I don't think it looks particularly unique. It feels like a more anime and fantasy Ivalice stripped of the things that made it interesting.
Anyway,
A lot of old artists from famous companies such as Square and Capcom want to be/are free lance now, so this announcement did not suprise me. I wonder if Nomura will ever take that route.
The main game is a mobile/browser game with microtransictions and gacha, plus a lot of fanservice, and a very... I'd say generic Final Fantasy feeling, since the main artist is the dude from FFIX and some parts of XII. I don't think it looks particularly unique. It feels like a more anime and fantasy Ivalice stripped of the things that made it interesting.
Anyway,
A lot of old artists from famous companies such as Square and Capcom want to be/are free lance now, so this announcement did not suprise me. I wonder if Nomura will ever take that route.
Nomura seems right at home to be quite honest. It doesn't seem like he's truly aiming for other set goals at the moment. I suppose the real question is why should he be a free lancer.
Though Square hasn't been at it's peak since Square Soft, the direction they are going isn't bad at all so far. (In terms of technology that is.), as for the whole lolicon thing, I can't exactly speak for that..but it "can" go to a cancerous route if they continue on that path even for mothership titles.
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Why would Nomura ever leave? He is Square Enix's golden boy, gets all the cool jobs and no one cares when one game after another, that he is heading, is stuck in development hell for a decade, like FFXV or Kingdom Hearts 3. I tell you now, we all will be playing FFVII Remake Part 3 in the community room of a retirement home on PS16 Pro Slim. XD
Seriously, Nomura should just go back to being a character designer, not being a director. And even in character design he is imo not the most talented or versatile...>__>
Seriously, Nomura should just go back to being a character designer, not being a director. And even in character design he is imo not the most talented or versatile...>__>
Hayabusiness
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To be honest, the only game he directed I liked was Kingdom Hearts 1, the rest is usually pretty bad in its own special way (with varying degrees going from "terrible" to "so bad it's good").
I am very scared of what he will do to FFVII. He already ruined the whole story with Advent Children and the rest of the compilation, not to mention his image of Cloud is VERY far off from the one in the original game.
I have a feeling I already said this somewhere in this thread though.
I am very scared of what he will do to FFVII. He already ruined the whole story with Advent Children and the rest of the compilation, not to mention his image of Cloud is VERY far off from the one in the original game.
I have a feeling I already said this somewhere in this thread though.
I'm sorry but not sorry that he left FFXV to head FFVII Remake. XD Tabata was the best that could happen to XV.
Back to Yusuke Naora though, he just tweeted this:
"Yesterday, Tabata kindly showed me FFXV's ending. It was my last work, and it became the greatest ending."
Awww... :3
He also got this farewell present from the whole team:
Oh, and here's Naora talking about Final Fantasy, it's art and his influence:
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What's crazy is that I am not too heavily fond of both Cloud concepts from the original game and Advent Children (more or less so-so in the middle with him but there are some aspects that I do like about him). My issue with Cloud is that he becomes a tool to what's around him and turns oblivious on the matter. Even hints from Tifa that there is a bond in there she clearly wants to break for a deeper intimate relationship but Cloud is so attached to his previous self that it becomes an issue yet it what makes him as a character. I'm possibly one of the few people that wants the writers to just say 'fuck it' and suddenly Cloud becomes a man, makes out with Tifa because why the hell not, and saving everyone while looking not too emo for the viewers.
Not going to spoil it of course, but what happened to Zack blew his spirit completely that made him believe he was 1st class due to Mako infusion and changed his entire story completely from Disc 1 all the way to Advent Children.
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Hayabusiness
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To be honest, it's ok if you dislike the original Cloud, the problem is that, in Advent Children, he is not the same character. He even sulks differently!
Cloud was a very damaged person, he was used and abused by the man who made him a literal tool, he was not mentally stable at all, but that's what made him an interesting protagonist in a very peculiar and original game. And despite all that has happened to him, he never has been an asshole to his friends and always explained his problems. He sulked but it makes sense because everything around him goes to shit and he is not even sure if he is the one in control of his own body. Not to mention the girl who gave him the most hope and comfort died before his very eyes and he could not do a thing about it.
And despite all the horrible things that happened, by the end of the game, he still manages to stand up, be more positive and gain the strenght to confront Sephiroth.
In Advent Children, he loses all the motivation he gained by the end of the game and becomes an emo frat boy who looks cool and acts cold to everyone, even Tifa. Cloud has always been nice to her, so why the sudden change? Why is he so unemotional and boringly stoic? You would think they'd be at least BEST BUDS in a hypothetical FFVII sequel but no, here is an emo fuck you never saw before, please enjoy him. Where did their friendship even go? She pulled him out of the literal and metaphorical life stream and in AC he is such an asshole to her.
I really hope the remake shows us a Cloud more similar to the original: sad, a good friend, goofy, and in the end, hopeful and determined after a life of tragedy.
Cloud was a very damaged person, he was used and abused by the man who made him a literal tool, he was not mentally stable at all, but that's what made him an interesting protagonist in a very peculiar and original game. And despite all that has happened to him, he never has been an asshole to his friends and always explained his problems. He sulked but it makes sense because everything around him goes to shit and he is not even sure if he is the one in control of his own body. Not to mention the girl who gave him the most hope and comfort died before his very eyes and he could not do a thing about it.
And despite all the horrible things that happened, by the end of the game, he still manages to stand up, be more positive and gain the strenght to confront Sephiroth.
In Advent Children, he loses all the motivation he gained by the end of the game and becomes an emo frat boy who looks cool and acts cold to everyone, even Tifa. Cloud has always been nice to her, so why the sudden change? Why is he so unemotional and boringly stoic? You would think they'd be at least BEST BUDS in a hypothetical FFVII sequel but no, here is an emo fuck you never saw before, please enjoy him. Where did their friendship even go? She pulled him out of the literal and metaphorical life stream and in AC he is such an asshole to her.
I really hope the remake shows us a Cloud more similar to the original: sad, a good friend, goofy, and in the end, hopeful and determined after a life of tragedy.
Jadeinchains
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Wait, it is that Granblue Fantasy that was also announced for PS4 on this TGS?
It actually looked quite cool and I was interested. It looked like a Tales of Game just with a way higher budget, ambition and set in a beautifully crafted (open?) world. So it is that kind of a game... :/ I guess a couple of guys in this forum will absolutely love that. (Nope, not going to drop any names. XD)
The shade.
I actually just started watching a ff7 stream!
And yeah all the thing's I've seen of Cloud have seen post ff7 and he wasn't very likeable seeming, It's a shame then that he was likeable in the original game. I haven't really seen anything about the original game so I'm not gonna watch to much of the stream since I plan on playing through the original or the remake blind on my own.
We'll be all blind (and deaf and bald and using a walking aid) by release of FFVII Remake. Nomura will make sure of that. XD
To start off, clearing some things up:
1) He was never actually damaged to begin with. During Crisis Core timeline he was a rookie soldier who wanted to be recognized for heroic efforts, he heard news of a famed man named Sephiroth and wanted to become just like him as well as keeping a promise to Tifa within Nibelheim cutscene. His memories were altered by Mako infusion soon after into believing he was 1st class but never really was, Zack was 1st class. Originally he was fine until he met Zack which Zack felt he sees a little himself in Cloud while developing a friendship. Cloud was originally suppose to be a guinea pig for the next project (Vincent Valentine was a victim to this project while he was in the Turks as the first phase). Cloud didn't break until Zack died. Zack was the reason why Cloud underwent change in the first place provided with Mako infusion. The Cloud you see in the original game was the result and the Cloud you see in Advent Children was himself trying to create a breakthrough from his past as much as I hate to admit it. (Hence Sephiroth wants to constantly bring in as a reminder because he's being a masochist about it.)
2) Sephiroth never made him a literal tool. Hojo did. All Sephiroth did was merely held the control with the puppet strings and being a masochist about it because even Sephiroth underwent changes that not even psychologists can fix. Everything went to shit when Sephiroth found out that Shinra was developing something atrocious in secret (JENOVA-project G - Genesis/Angeal) and enabled doubts about himself whether he underwent the same thing during his time being born. He left Shinra after (Shinra labeled him as MIA/KIA after his battle with Zack in the reactor within the mountains). Him leaving Shinra forced Shinra to have different plans all together and made themselves more obvious on bad ominous dilemma because their most powerful prized warrior suddenly just leaves so Genesis has to do. There were higher things that were far more broken than just one man. Sephiroth returned years later somewhat sane until he started reading a few picture books in the library with nice colors on it, then developed a mother superiority complex soon after. Now insane.
3) Cloud was in control of his body the whole time, he just has this split persona developed from the Mako infusion whenever he's talking to himself as well as issues accepting the scenarios and chooses to either brush it off or just give in to it completely. Aerith's death was the point where Cloud had to make a change and take point for the future to stop everything once and for all. As for the Aerith+Cloud gap..if you look back at most of the history, Aerith started making friends with Cloud during the slums in Midgar specifically after he fell through the church roof and had this feeling that he reminds her of someone. The reminder was her old boyfriend (actual text in FFVII dialogue in the park - which was Zack when he visited the slums .) and asked him to be her body guard while the Turks was after her. After she was safe that's when they became friends and so on. More Cloud into Aerith fuel pumping here than the reverse even though Cloud deep down developed something of an interior for Aerith but that's besides the point anyway.
As for Cloud as a character, even though he was infused with a bit of Mako he still kept part of himself active. One of the biggest sad parts that one can give Cloud sympathy for is that he wanted to do things for a promise with his childhood friend, his hometown, looking up to a hero only to have it crushed, and the loss of a friend that saved him from being a guinea pig. However there are definitely cases where he had a "choice to not be a tool" given the circumstances for life and death scenarios here. That is not a past problem, that is a Cloud problem. Is it a bad thing? no, it's not...but it can if it keeps up. Advent Children could of been the solution...not just what people thought it would be. There are some positive things you can sympathize Cloud for (which I can definitely agree with, guy wanted to be a hero but didn't know the corporation was into sneaky shit with Hojo so it's complete bad luck), there are also things people really shouldn't since it puts people more gullible and naive to the matter at hand here.
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