Helena's needed improvements

[Omegan Eckhart]

I get the feeling that there won't be a on-release patch for several reasons. One being that, even though some members got a chance to sit down and play with her, voicing their opinions, most of the other feedback is coming from members who know nothing about her other than that short (and essentially pointless) video we saw and the word from other players. I'm guessing they'll be waiting until after release and plenty of people have had time to play with her before they decide on additional changes.

I'm not saying that to knock the words of the players who've played her already (I figure if you got to play her, you're likely a good player), but I don't think TN will base much of their modifications off of the words of a few.

I, myself, won't complain about moves (except for P+K, which is already over with, as that was a simple fix that we all knew was necessary) until I have my hands on the game and see for myself exactly what her limitations are. Again, I'm not saying DrDogg and the others are wrong, but I trust myself more than others, of course xD

I'm with this, some things are obviously wrong though. Her sit down stuns not guaranteeing anything is just faulty. They don't need to play test any more to figure that out.

 

[DrDogg]

Bryan, I have a mission for you. Once you get your ass in Season's Beatings, forget about winning. Just focus completely on showing how Helena plays and why she's crap and make sure Shimbori understands so we can get a patch before November to buff her and her only without touching anything else in the game. That way we don't risk the entire game being destroyed because of Hele.

Then you'll tell me how the FFXI concert was.

Depending on how much of SB is streamed, you'll see me play Helena. But if I'm fighting someone good, I'll likely stick to Rig and Mila.

I'm with this, some things are obviously wrong though. Her sit down stuns not guaranteeing anything is just faulty. They don't need to play test any more to figure that out.

You get guaranteed attacks from her sit-down stuns, just not a launcher... like pretty much everyone else. >_<

 

[TRI Mike]

I get the feeling that there won't be a on-release patch for several reasons. One being that, even though some members got a chance to sit down and play with her, voicing their opinions, most of the other feedback is coming from members who know nothing about her other than that short (and essentially pointless) video we saw and the word from other players. I'm guessing they'll be waiting until after release and plenty of people have had time to play with her before they decide on additional changes.

I'm not saying that to knock the words of the players who've played her already (I figure if you got to play her, you're likely a good player), but I don't think TN will base much of their modifications off of the words of a few.

I, myself, won't complain about moves (except for P+K, which is already over with, as that was a simple fix that we all knew was necessary) until I have my hands on the game and see for myself exactly what her limitations are. Again, I'm not saying DrDogg and the others are wrong, but I trust myself more than others, of course xD

That's why I've stated clearly in my Twitter account what changes she needs. I even linked this thread to TN several times and they said they already knew people weren't happy about Hele.

You get guaranteed attacks from her sit-down stuns, just not a launcher... like pretty much everyone else. >_<

Is it possible to get another sit-down stun guaranteed after a first sit-down stun¿ or the CB attack¿ There has to be a way... right¿... right¿

 

[DrDogg]

Is it possible to get another sit-down stun guaranteed after a first sit-down stun¿ or the CB attack¿ There has to be a way... right¿... right¿

She only has one attack that gives her a sit-down stun as a stand alone attack and it's way too slow to connect after any other sit-down stun. After a CB all you can do is launch or knock the opponent down for the most part. You can't really continue the stun.

 

[Omegan Eckhart]

She only has one attack that gives her a sit-down stun as a stand alone attack and it's way too slow to connect after any other sit-down stun. After a CB all you can do is launch or knock the opponent down for the most part. You can't really continue the stun.

Which attack is it? Or is it a new attack we haven't seen yet?

 

[DrDogg]

Which attack is it? Or is it a new attack we haven't seen yet?

214P

 

[Omegan Eckhart]

214P

...eww

What non stand alone sit down stuns does she have?

 

[DR2K]

214P

 

[Omegan Eckhart]

That pretty much sums it up, it's short range, comes out slow and recovers slow when free cancelled. It will have to be combo'd into, there is no other way anyone is going to land that otherwise, anyone who played DOA4 Helena knows how useless that move was. That is unless it's faster now.

Now I know what move it is I understand why we can't guarantee a launcher off it.

 

[DrDogg]

It's not any faster...

Although technically you get 214PP, which launches. Good luck hitting with 214P though.

 

[TRI Mike]

I officially want a patch.

 

[Dravidian]

Maybe if you play 500 matches with her, you unlock "True Helena"...

 

[Paradise]

I really like the approach that you guys are taking with Helena's needed improvements. Online balance patches are a terrible way to correct things! I come from the Soul Calibur community and the balance patches in SCV basically killed the viability of some characters and made others unnecessarily good. Without arcade releases you basically get it right the first time or you don't. A wait-and-see kind of attitude is very bad to have in this situation. Fix the issue before the game comes out!

 

[Forlorn Penguin]

I really like the approach that you guys are taking with Helena's needed improvements. Online balance patches are a terrible way to correct things! I come from the Soul Calibur community and the balance patches in SCV basically killed the viability of some characters and made others unnecessarily good. Without arcade releases you basically get it right the first time or you don't. A wait-and-see kind of attitude is very bad to have in this situation. Fix the issue before the game comes out!

That's definitely true, but it's too late at this point. I assume the game is gold now, so the only way to fix her is with a patch. They just need to make sure that they don't mess with anyone else with said patch. It's there to fix Helena and only Helena.

 

[DontForkWitMe]

I doubt they'll release a single patch exclusively for helena especially since patches cost publishers money to upload after the first free one and i don't think TN will waste they're free one on just helena. If they do release a patch they'll definitely be lumping the rest of the cast in with it for a big 5.1 update. all i know is that if eliot gets nerfed because of this bitch i will systematically hunt down and destroy every helena player with ruthless aggression

 

[Paradise]

I doubt they'll release a single patch exclusively for helena especially since patches cost publishers money to upload after the first free one and i don't think TN will waste they're free one on just helena. If they do release a patch they'll definitely be lumping the rest of the cast in with it for a big 5.1 update. all i know is that if eliot gets nerfed because of this bitch i will systematically hunt down and destroy every helena player with ruthless aggression

I don't think that any characters should be nerfed because none of them seem too good. Taking tools away from good characters shouldn't ever be the way to go, you should just bring low tier characters up to par. I really hope that they get it right the first time because multiple balance patches are just messy and ineffective.

 

[synce]

I think teh VF characters would be classified as too good, and I have a feeling there's going to be plenty of them online and in tourneys. I wonder if someone like HElena even has a chance

Hopefully you can kick players or ban characters. Realistically you're going to be playing DOA vs VF, not DOA5

 

[Omegan Eckhart]

If they release a patch it should only consist of buff's for low tier characters. Buff Brad, Lisa and Helena and completely ignore everyone else.

 

[DrDogg]

If they release a patch it should only consist of buff's for low tier characters. Buff Brad, Lisa and Helena and completely ignore everyone else.

Zack would like to have a word with you.

 

[Omegan Eckhart]

Zack would like to have a word with you.

Okay and Zack, plus anyone else who is lacking.