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Helena's needed improvements

shunwong

shunwong

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DrDogg said:
Aside from about 3-4 characters, the game is fairly balanced... especially if you remove the VF tier at the top. Hayabusa is better than Hitomi, but thanks to the stun game, Hitomi can still beat Haybusa. Helena can still win, you just have to really play the stun game. All she has is stun into a BKO throw mix-up. But if you hit that hi counter BKO throw, it's going to hurt.
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When you say 3-4 characters you mean the VF characters (high end) + Helena and Lisa/La Mariposa (low end)?

Or is there anyone else too high up or too down low?
 
Einzelkind

Einzelkind

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HelenaDOA5pk.jpg


What am I looking at here exactly? Did they change her p+k back to its former glory? That looks like it crushes mids.
 
Omegan Eckhart

Omegan Eckhart

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Einzelkind said:
HelenaDOA5pk.jpg


What am I looking at here exactly? Did they change her p+k back to its former glory? That looks like it crushes mids.
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No they didn't change the animation at all. It was the hit box data that made it crush mid attacks. Even though she ducks that low her hurt box will be much higher than she is.
 
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Dravidian

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Omegan Eckhart said:
No they didn't change the animation at all. It was the hit box data that made it crush mid attacks. Even though she ducks that low her hurt box will be much higher than she is.
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....thats silly. I hate it when things that look like they shouldnt hit....hit. >_>
yeah, I just woke up.
 
DrDogg

DrDogg

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shunwong said:
When you say 3-4 characters you mean the VF characters (high end) + Helena and Lisa/La Mariposa (low end)?

Or is there anyone else too high up or too down low?
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Mostly low tiers. The VF characters are in their own tier, but the top tier DOA characters can still hang with them.
 
MasterGamer

MasterGamer

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I've been keeping up with this thread for the past few days and I must say it is probably one of the most depressing things I've read, haha. However, DrDogg, you and I both know what it's like to main a trash Helena (DOA2U) so this time will be no different (but hopefully slightly better at least).
 
DrDogg

DrDogg

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MasterGamer said:
I've been keeping up with this thread for the past few days and I must say it is probably one of the most depressing things I've read, haha. However, DrDogg, you and I both know what it's like to main a trash Helena (DOA2U) so this time will be no different (but hopefully slightly better at least).
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Welcome back sir.

The main difference between DOA2U Helena and DOA5 Helena is that in DOA2U no one really knew what they were doing. It didn't matter that everything was unsafe, because no one knew how to punish. How many times was frame data referenced back in the DOA2U days?

Now that everyone knows how to punish and all of that, it matters that Helena is so unsafe. In casual play you'll still roll through people without a problem. But when you face a good player who knows Helena's frame data, it will be a very tough fight. Much harder than DO2U in my opinion.
 
Omegan Eckhart

Omegan Eckhart

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DrDogg said:
Welcome back sir.

The main difference between DOA2U Helena and DOA5 Helena is that in DOA2U no one really knew what they were doing. It didn't matter that everything was unsafe, because no one knew how to punish. How many times was frame data referenced back in the DOA2U days?

Now that everyone knows how to punish and all of that, it matters that Helena is so unsafe. In casual play you'll still roll through people without a problem. But when you face a good player who knows Helena's frame data, it will be a very tough fight. Much harder than DO2U in my opinion.
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I'm more concerned that people won't need to know her frame data, seeing how unsafe she is people will just grab everything, similar to how you would play against Ayane.
 
TRI Mike

TRI Mike

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No one knows anybody's place in a tier list for now. That's just something people have assumed from Bryan's posts.

EDIT: Except for Hele. She's the worst character in the game.
 
TRI Mike

TRI Mike

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236PKP is just as good. Just get used to juggle with that or 66KPP if there's enough launch height. They SHOULD work with no problems.
 
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