How Big is the Hold Window?

[Django]

But in principle this is how it works, right? So say after the +17 reset I use 3k, it's 15 frames and I think it has at least 2 active frames; assuming the second active frame should then be active on on the first frame they can act on the first frame the opponent can act, they can't hold it, right? Obviously it's not as strong as resetting with 6f+k but if it's totally safe from both throw punishment and holds it would be a nice option to have. I'm sure there might be better options.

i know if you try that with a throw they can't throw a hold out, cause it take the 1 frame for the hold to come out.

 

[shinryu]

So it looks like unholdables in general don't work. I tried a couple of setups with Tina and Bayman where I was pretty certain I would be hitting on first possible frame and both the CPU and I could hold out. Also, the guide indicates a 0 frame startup for holds now. So it looks like that unholdable first frame hit situation just doesn't exist anymore

 

[Matt Ponton]

Yes. They fixed the hold glitch off forced tech.