Mass Effect 3

[Relius Starkiller]

Mass Effect comic book/movie/anime is going to satiate our need for closure.

Fuck the ending Raansu, their going to sell us more shit, be happy!

 

[Raansu]

The anime is about James...that character was boring as hell.

 

[Relius Starkiller]

But you do like him because if you didn't he wouldn't have his own show.

Bioware knows what we want man, trust them.

 

[Relius Starkiller]

Update: Seems that Bioware is starting to get the message.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/bioware-considering-changing-mass-effect-3-ending-6366857

Again, what was seen cannot be unseen but currently I can't even recommend the game to others because I know how it will end. I used to shit around with my brother about how hes missing out on the greatest interactive experience of all time (Next to marathon sex of course.) but now, when he asks whether or not he should dive in I just shrug my shoulders.

I'm praying they change the ending. . .I mean, I wonder if they even CAN change the endings. I'm sure they could put in a new DLC mission that is supposed to replace the old ending but can they actually remove rewrite that ending with DLC - we're going to find out apparently.

 

[Raansu]

I have no faith in them being able to fix that ending. To me it was almost as if they had fired their entire story board team at the last minute and had some random dude off the street come up with an ending that made no sense.

 

[Relius Starkiller]

I think they just need to listen to what the fans are saying.

Either more explanation as to what happens to the galaxy after your decision (I.e the fate of your friends, the worlds you saved and the consequences of the choices you made) or re-do the endings entirely and give us the variety we've experienced through out the series.

On a sad note I saw that I wasn't going to be playing Mass Effect 3 again until the endings are changed so. . .I traded it in for Skyrim and Super Street Fighter 4.

However, I'm still very much a part of the movement - still donating, still posting, still "holding the line". Matter of fact, I'm volunteering next weekend at a homeless shelter downtown and will be rocking a "N7" Retake Mass Effect t-shirt, not that anyone will know what ME is or even that Mass Effect is the reason I'm volunteering - because it isn't at all. I'm just wearing the T-shirt because its now a part of my wardrobe rotation and will be until they change those mother fucking endings.

 

[Relius Starkiller]

Bioware working on "Expanding" endings.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/122/1221273p1.html

Ok, but lets be for real for real here. The ending where Shepard lives has to be expanded more than any - that breath at the end just isn't cutting the mustard for a happy ending.

 

[Raansu]

No one wants it to be expanded, they want it to be deleted and completely redone lol.

 

[Relius Starkiller]

No one wants it to be expanded, they want it to be deleted and completely redone lol.

I think people want variety and expanding each of the three (and possibly adding a fourth happy ending) is the best way to tackle this mess.

But lets say they keep it at three and they expand off of them, If Shepard lives in the destroy ending and thats the quote unquote happy ending then fine - Shepard makes it back to earth (somehow, I don't even understand how hes alive, but if they can explain it to me in a way that doesn't insult my intellegence then ok.).

The Mass Relays are destroyed but the way the galaxy communicated (The web system, holograms and what have you) had nothing to do with them or the Mass Effect drives so in theory they could still communicate between systems (at least in the control and synthesis endings. . .maybe I'd buy it in the destroy ending, maybe)

If they give us the super happy ending where Shepard is banging Salrian and Krogan groupies till the liqour runs dry. . .hey, I'm down but if all they show us are the consequences of our actions through out the series, through out the galaxy, then hey - no complaints.

. . .Also, they have to have an ending where Shepard tells the star kid to shove it. Even if the galaxy is doomed and you know it is, the options presented to you all amount to what the Reapers had set out to do anyway - assimilate or destroy. You destroyed the galaxy by wiping out the relays and even in the Synthesis ending all you did was make everyone the same which is pretty much what the Reapers where doing by indoctrinating the various races - however that would in a lot of ways make it possible for that large fleet to stay in the sol system if the biogenetic make up of everything was friendly to all of the races. No food shortages and they could all live on almost any planet.

They should rethink the whole of the endings. . .they should, but they won't and they probably wont because they have umpteen art evangelizing game "journalists" who have a more direct line to them then we do through our forums and twitters. Even if there are more of us than them we can't call up a Casey Hudson at E3 and say "Hey, this is Garrnet Lee from Shacknews. . .can we have a drink and talk about the ME3 endings? I think you should keep them as they are."

We won't get exactly what we want but as long as they tighten up the bullshit plotholes I'll feel right as rain.

 

[Raansu]

Honestly the only thing I think they can do is roll with the fans indoctrination theories. We already gave them the idea, they might as well follow up on it. The whole reason why the theory is so popular is because no one likes the current ending. I don't think people have an issue with Sheppard dying, but destroying the mass relays just kind of kills any form of expanded universe...unless they go backwards and pull a prequel (I already see that coming actually.)

 

[Relius Starkiller]

unless they go backwards and pull a prequel (I already see that coming actually.)

Well thats what the James Vega anime is about, everything he did before he met Shepard.

I don't really like the indoctrination theory because it nullifies the original endings and anyone who can't download the DLC (For lack of internet or money) will be fucked. Its not like missing "Lair of the Shawdow Broker" or "Bring Down the Sky" You'd be missing the end of the series - there would be no making that up with a dialog tree.

I think they should just add one or two more endings and make sure each one of them (including the current ones) do the characters, the universe justice and the player justice.

If they do an indoctrination thing, then ok, but at the same time I want to be surprised. I don't want to feel like I know exactly whats coming per-say. . .this whole situation sucks.

 

[Raansu]

 

[Rikuto]

I've got no intention of buying the ending that was supposed to come with the game.

DLC, when done ethically, is great. This isn't.

If it's a free update, great. But it's EA so it won't be.

 

[Relius Starkiller]

To be fair they wrapped up the Genophage, Miranda's father, Ashley/Kaiden's emotional progression, The Quarian and Geth issue and Garrus and Shepard's friendship (Their game of one-upsman ship on the Citidel was flawless).

The problem is that none of the dumb decisions you made came back to fuck you.

For instance - I killed the Rachni Queen in ME1 and recruited the fake one that the Reapers made. . .either way you get the same galactic readiness.

I saved the collector base....that doesn't play as big a part as it should have....

Anyway. . .

Marauder Shields has his own comic series now.

Follow this link for more! http://koobismo.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d4t2y0u

I just don't understand how a team of writers could get it so wrong. . .oh wait, the ending was handled by Casey Hudson and Mac Walters independent of the rest of the writing staff - fuck those guys.

 

[Arnell Long]

Beat the game a few days ago...absolutely love the Series, but that damn Ending...

My grip is that in this Universe of Mass Effect us consumers were Artists and BioWare has given us Pencils to craft our own Stories. We carved out 150hrs or so into this Artwork only to have it Published and Pen Drawn by some other Source.

I don't mind the "3" choices that we get from beating the game, granted all 16 or what have you endings aren't that different from one another with only one actually having Shepherd alive should you have 5000+ War Effectiveness and choose Destruction.

But that's not my argument, my argument is that along with those 3 default choices, us "consumers" should have a slot specifically for our History on what we've carved out from ME1-ME3. A choice saying this is Your Ending for the decision You've made up to this point, here is the Story You've drawn, now watch Your finish Product.

But instead, it's like I could of never played ME1 or ME2 and get the same exact Ending "for the most part" with very little "note worthy" differences. Watching all those Endings only made me that more upset seeing as how they don't differentiate enough to justify the overall laziness put into an Ending that was suppose to be personal to the Gamer as the choices they made from the last two outings.

 

[Relius Starkiller]

The worst part is that fucking bink video at the end. . .why in the hell didn't they make the two soilders rushing the reapers the two squad members who were with you?

I mean seriously, how stupid are these people?

 

[Arnell Long]

The worst part is that fucking bink video at the end. . .why in the hell didn't they make the two soilders rushing the reapers the two squad members who were with you?

I mean seriously, how stupid are these people?

http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/03/26/ign-live-presents-mass-effect-3-spoilercast


Check this out bro...pretty good watch, kinda makes me think more of Commander Shepperd was under the influence of indoctrination just as the Rachni Queen stated that when she was indoctrinated, she spaced in and out and was seeing inked versions of her people, just as Shepperd had those very same dreams with humans looking like inked figures...

Someone said "The catalyst wasn't literally a child, it was only Shepard's interpretation of it. The face of innocence, the driving power of chaos. But not chaos..order. manifested through a being so pure and simple."

Also, saying that Anderson and Illusive Man were the good and bad sides of Shepperd, all things Paragon is "Blue" and all things Renegade is "Red" but in the end of game we see the "Destruction" of the Reapers was "RED" and the "Synthetic" decision was "BLUE"...thus making the indoctrination more viable...there's a lot of evidence pointing towards Shepperd being under the control of indoctrination but we won't find out the truth til BioWare sums it ups for us...

 

[Relius Starkiller]

Controlling the Reapers was good because you didn't destroy the synthetic races and it was self sacrifice - Paragon. His eyes are blue in the control ending because hes being electrocuted

The Destroy ending cripples the galaxy even further but theres a remote possibility that you yourself walk away from the battle - Renegade.


Do you think the outcry about the endings would be so loud if they were handled properly? If the flash back before you died was reflective of who was important to you during YOUR play through? Or if there had been proper explanations as to how your crew got back on the Normandy after Harbingers blast? If they had taken a few extra minutes to show us what we actually accomplished during the 100 or so hours we spent with the series?

Also, wouldn't the reapers motivation for destroying all organic life have made more sense if it were about the galaxies resources? It probably takes around 50,000 years for the natural resources they've consumed to replenish. Why does that not make more sense than the stupid "Robot vs. Human's" b.s that was never a central theme in the Mass Effect (video game) lore?

I'd be willing to bet that a lot of the issues with ME3 stim from it being a multiplatform game - namely the PS3 version having to release the same day as the 360 and PC versions.

 

[Matt Ponton]

The "Indoctrination" theory throughout this game is so proclaimed because it's the most logical take on the entirety of the game - including its endings.

I personally just started playing ME3 after completing ME2 the other night - side story: I was pissed because when getting Legion I accidentally chose the option to sell him to Cerberus when I meant to keep him but didn't realize that it would totally remove him otherwise so I lost him. I had to use a save editor to get mark him that he was kept, and while I was in there I changed my FemShep's lover to Ashley. The love interest was what I originally wanted in the first game, and if you actually play with a hacked save for ME1 then you will get the cutscene because all of the voice recordings were done for it but it was axed at the last moment. So interestingly enough my FemShep in ME3 is going through all the romance with Ashley, but if there is any dialog that is exclusive to the relationship, the ManShep voice plays. It's making for some slightly humorous scenes but I'd still prefer it as its the relationship is how I wanted it since the start.

I disagree that the issues stem from the PS3 version or it being a multiplatform game. The code for rendering the game was still there after ME2's release. A lot of the engine didn't have to be rebuilt for ME3. They went out to get dialog for the catalyst and animate with the three different ending choices. If anything, it just seems like the ones in charge of the ending were separate from the writers in charge of the rest of the series. Especially after finishing ME2 I can say that I'm not looking forward to reaching the end of ME3, due specifically to the ending comparisons of the two: One feels epic, while the other feels like it's choking you before the climax. From ME1 and ME2's take on the Reapers, ME3 just doesn't seem to follow the same logic established. Either way I'll be completing the game soon.

 

[The HuBBs]

Actually the renegade ending is controlling the reapers... they give you hints to it showing off in the flashbacks who tried to use what. Like the Illusive tried to control them, or anderson trying to destroy them, which is the paragon ending sans colors.

and i don't take what ign has to say very seriously as they are the ones who deemed saying that multiplayer is required for a better ending.