DOA5LR Mod, but respect DOA

[Baal bal]

Due to the recent interview of TN, Mr Shimbori stated that he was worried about the modding scene.
In reaction to that, I wanted to say a few things in regard to the future modding community. I created this thread in order for people that want to mod this game to agree to follow some sort of "code".
The key word : respect.

-1) let's do a little situation check :
If you google the right words, you can easily find nude mod of DOA5U, even if it's on consol. You can find "porn" movies with the girls, and a lot's of other disrespectful crap toward the cast.
The actual situation is on a different league in comparison to what it was in "ninja hacker's days", and unlike Mr Itagaki at his time, TN can't really hope to do anything.
My point is that from a developper's point of view, what could they fear ? Can the situation be worst than it already is ? Yes.
Not qualitatively, but quantitatively. With a PC version, modding will be a lot easier, and thus the possible amount of mods will considerably goes up. We can fear that a huge and wild modding community appear and destroy DOA's image, way more than any bikini DLC.
We can also fear that "modding" mutate into "hacking", and that online play become a graveyard for normal players.
Those two points are what I can see as a threat for DOA, and it may not be everything Mr Shimbori have in mind. Be free to complet the list.

-2) Can we do something about this ?
Educate.
We are all human, and I don't intend to spit on every person out there that want to see his favorite character in full anatomical view. If you want to do a nude mode or any other mode that could be regarded as disrespectful toward the licence, it's your problem and you HAVE to keep it private. When you're modding, keep in mind that you're playing with things you don't own. You can do everything that you want, but keep it away from the public place.

-3) Is a respectful and creative modding community is possible ?
Yes again. All we have to do is keeping in mind what we can show to the world, and what we can't. If you want to share a mode, but you think that it could harm any other person than those interested in it, there also exist places for that. Informe yourself before acting.
I was really happy to see a PC version coming, and i still am. We can make a great modding community, i'm sure of that. Many DOA fans are creative and skilled persons, I have fait in them to do mods that TN could be proud of.

My global message :
-Show what you can show, hide what you mustn't
-Be respectful toward the characters, the developers and the fans.
-If you have any question, ask the others before doing something stupid. This thread is also for that.

I asked many question and tried to answer them myself, but feel free to give me your own.

 

[Hayabusiness]

In our circles, it's very possible to respect the rules you set and educate eachother, but outside, how can we stop people from doing nude mods left and right and post them openly?? Most casual DOA fans are looking for that after all.

I too wish people would be more secret and polite regarding these things, but take a quick look at YouTube, pixiv, DeviantART and Google images: how is it possible to prevent the modding community to turn into a softcore machine? Unless Team NINJA takes action it's impossible, and even then I'm not sure their action will be able to do much, and honestly, they should be the first to step up on this matter, 'cuz it's their property.
I mean, if you look at DA most DOA stuff is erotic content with ripped models, and TN is like "lol k" unlike Itagaki who was furious as fuck.
And if anyone asks, nope, the girls aren't the only ones to get the "porn ripped models doing goofy faces" treatment. Thus we won't be just seeing naked boobies when modding comes around........ help.

If Shimbori is worried, maybe TN has something up their sleeve to stop the swarm of porn mods and the general game hacking, but seeing how hacked is the PS3 leaderboard, and how the Vanilla DOA5 nude mod is one of the first results for searching DOA on YouTube... let me just say...

I have a bad feeling about this Fox!

 

[Argentus]

In our circles, it's very possible to respect the rules you set and educate eachother, but outside, how can we stop people from doing nude mods left and right?? Most casual DOA fans are looking for that after all.

That's the key thing here.

We all know WE will be wanting/making real outfits and such, but the sad unavoidable truth is that there we be a LOT of inappropriate mods, and there's very little we can do to stop it. What saddens me is that Shimbori seems to think otherwise, as if he's completely unfamiliar with game mods.

 

[Baal bal]

I don't think Mr Shimbori ignore anything regarding that matter and that's why he is worried.
As I said before, it's not that TN don't WANT to stop the flow and aren't furious, it's that they CAN'T do a thing about that, excepted saying "If you don't behave properly, we will stop making PC game".
I'm not an expert in international law/right, but i know enough to say that they won't be able punish modders, as long as they don't try to make money with the mods. Even to sue ONE person would be very complicated, and in term of "marketing image", it wouldn't be very profitable for them either.
My answer to the problem would be to create a hub for the community, in which we can follow some rules. We can't suppress nude mode to spread, but we can make it less visible. The modders on Jtag are actually keeping low profile and avoid to share their work, so we can make it on PC.
The main problem is DA... There is way to many people playing with models to have them "under control", but there is already so many people doing so that the PC port won't change the thing (between 20 and 200 the gap is enormous, but between 20000020 and 20000200 it's less visible...)
I don't have the skills nor the time to create such a hub, but the least i can do is saying "look, it's a good idea".

 

[Argentus]

I don't think Mr Shimbori ignore anything regarding that matter and that's why he is worried.
As I said before, it's not that TN don't WANT to stop the flow and aren't furious, it's that they CAN'T do a thing about that, excepted saying "If you don't behave properly, we will stop making PC game".
I'm not an expert in international law/right, but i know enough to say that they won't be able punish modders, as long as they don't try to make money with the mods. Even to sue ONE person would be very complicated, and in term of "marketing image", it wouldn't be very profitable for them either.
My answer to the problem would be to create a hub for the community, in which we can follow some rules. We can't suppress nude mode to spread, but we can make it less visible. The modders on Jtag are actually keeping low profile and avoid to share their work, so we can make it on PC.
The main problem is DA... There is way to many people playing with models to have them "under control", but there is already so many people doing so that the PC port won't change the thing (between 20 and 200 the gap is enormous, but between 20000020 and 20000200 it's less visible...)
I don't have the skills nor the time to create such a hub, but the least i can do is saying "look, it's a good idea".

I just hope they understand that the people who mod likely won't even ever SEE that interview, or the warning, and I'm hoping we the actual players aren't punished for the anonymous modders.

 

[Awesmic]

Are trenchcoats disrespectful?

 

[Goarmagon]

The only mods I would care about are the texture mods.

 

[Sythion]

I don't see what the big deal is. If you want to, you can find all sorts of pornographic media involving just about any other game you can think of. People are free to create whatever they want outside of FSD. I would rather Team Ninja not do anything at all than pull the crap Itagaki did. When most people were modding DOA4 or DOAX for fun to create new outfits or whatever, Team Ninja ended up killing the whole thing. Yeah, maybe like 1% were nude mods or whatever, but who cares?

I would rather Team Ninja allow people the freedom to mod how they want (as long as it does not affect online play) than stifle modders' creativity.

 

[Argentus]

I don't see what the big deal is. If you want to, you can find all sorts of pornographic media involving just about any other game you can think of. People are free to create whatever they want outside of FSD. I would rather Team Ninja not do anything at all than pull the crap Itagaki did. When most people were modding DOA4 or DOAX for fun to create new outfits or whatever, Team Ninja ended up killing the whole thing. Yeah, maybe like 1% were nude mods or whatever, but who cares?

I would rather Team Ninja allow people the freedom to mod how they want (as long as it does not affect online play) than stifle modders' creativity.

The issue is we all know that porn mods are going to be commonplace, but Shimbori thinks the community, has...yaknow, integrity, despite their dlc sales proving otherwise already, and that they'll not make porn mods just because he asks really nice.

Like I'm not gonna use em, and I imagine most here aren't either, but they'll still be there, and I'm wondering if Shimbori will decide that's enough reason for no more doa on PC

 

[Sythion]

The issue is we all know that porn mods are going to be commonplace, but Shimbori thinks the community, has...yaknow, integrity, despite their dlc sales proving otherwise already, and that they'll not make porn mods just because he asks really nice.

Like I'm not gonna use em, and I imagine most here aren't either, but they'll still be there, and I'm wondering if Shimbori will decide that's enough reason for no more doa on PC

I think the decision for future releases of DoA on PC shouldn't be dependent on PC modding, especially since there is already plenty of content of that sort based on model rips from the console releases. If they don't want people doing inappropriate stuff with their character models, then not releasing on PC isn't going to solve that.

 

[Woozy]

The issue is we all know that porn mods are going to be commonplace, but Shimbori thinks the community, has...yaknow, integrity, despite their dlc sales proving otherwise already, and that they'll not make porn mods just because he asks really nice.

The solution seems obvious, just advertise ours more. Use them at tournaments if able, use them in combo videos, share them on other DoA forums, etc etc.

 

[The 4th phase]

tn is pretty much stating this might be last game for pc they will release if the mods are taken to far.

 

[Princess Kasumi]

tn is pretty much stating this might be last game for pc they will release if the mods are taken to far.

It will be their last computer game. People has already made nude models of DOA characters, so now the only thing they need to know is how to mod the pc version of DOA.

 

[grap3fruitman]

Team Ninja is asking people to show some modesty?

 

[RoboJoe]

Lmao at trying to curtail the internet. You can keep mods off this site, but this is an insignificant portion of the greater DOA community and nobody outside of the people here care if TN feels bad about mods. Also, TN will keep making PC games no matter what mods pop up, as long as the game sells well on the platform. TN is making an empty threat most likely because they fear nude mods or other skimpy mods will give PC players no reason to buy all the shitty dlc.

 

[Argentus]

tn is pretty much stating this might be last game for pc they will release if the mods are taken to far.

Which is a pretty damn naive set of mind, which is what I'm worried about.

TN is making an empty threat most likely because they fear nude mods or other skimpy mods will give PC players no reason to buy all the shitty dlc.

That's honestly why I thought there wouldn't be a PC version. Turns out, TN was just really really naive and didn't think about that lol.

 

[HHH816]

huge pr disaster if TN called it off

 

[DontForkWitMe]

TN don't know PC gamers very well if they think they can threatened them from modding whatever they damn well please.especially when they have no right to demand anything modest with their perverted asses shoving half naked fetish dlc down our throats for months. they already hurt sales for the PC version and their reputation among pc gamers with the delay and online not being available at launch and then have the nerve to dictate what they can mod on it? da fuck outta here...

 

[Baal bal]

Anyway, The problem is not that DOA6 won't be on PC. Even if DOA become a porn machine, If the PC version sell well, they won't be able to cut off the market. I'm just more worried about the license image, and i think we can help. That's all.
Remember the "no character DLC" ? Tecmo saw money coming, and TN executed the orders shamefully. It's money that rule a company nothing more nothing less.

The solution seems obvious, just advertise ours more. Use them at tournaments if able, use them in combo videos, share them on other DoA forums, etc etc.

100% right.

 

[Princess Kasumi]

Can you guys imagine the animation of the throws being changed to..BJ. Kiss. and other sexual animations? This is very possible if there is a serious modder out there that wanna turn it more into a sexual-rape themed fighting game.