Say whaaaaat? What is going on here?
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Relius Starkiller
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The reputation that DOAC had was that everyone was an elitist and people were attacked (instead of simply ignored) for giving their opinion, no matter how ignorant.
Most of the people who were party to that stuff moved over here - no one moved over to TKP.
So FSD now holds that reputation.
Those are good, salt of the earth DOA players over there. Just the other day we were in the chat talking about screwing fat chicks on craigslist.
Master didn't take anything that belonged to anyone else . . .except Offbeat Ninja's trim. If Mamba had been more vocal and a better personality he might be where master is today - but we all saw that X-Play final where Morgan Webb looked at him like he was a creep because he said he practiced 12 hours a day. (He should have said "When you're as good as me, you don't need to practice.")
And that show wasn't about taking the "Best of the Best" it was a reality show about gamers trying to prove they are the most well rounded.
The corner stone of any reality show is drama, my only problem was that they were referencing a relationship that occurred outside of the show. . .so its not entertaining. Now if one of them had gotten nasty with chosen1, while chosen1 was supposed to be exclusive to the other THEN it would have been interesting. . . .or if like. . .like Mystik was like a SERIAL FLASHER or something and she was running around the house showing everyone her tits and then Vanessa got jealous and started showing people her tits to get attention and then they had. . .like a. . .
A TIT OFF, where everyone got to rub em, and squeeze em and motor boat em and then at the very end the lucky lady got a pearl necklace.
That would have been sweet. . .
x Sypher x
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You're a fucking genius lol.
Rikuto
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He stole the title of champion and was thus given foothold into opportunities he never earned. When a businessman comes into a gaming community looking for high-profile people, he wants to talk to as few people as he has to in order to get what he's looking for. This is why the whole "is master legit?" situation was never re-evaluated, and he has effectively stolen years worth of opportunities. So how is this not stealing? Where is the integrity?
He never tried to correct them. He said "I'M DOA MASTER, THE MOST ACCOMPLISHED DOA PLAYER EVER!" And then he plotted to keep everyone else out as best as he could while continuing to claim this. He is doing so to this day. It's borderline fraud. Hell it's not even borderline, it IS fraud.
Chosen1 did the same thing by claiming he was a Madden champion (I'm still looking for proof of this, Sebastian...), and that got him into WCG UG.
Now they are part of the same clique getting the same opportunities which probably should have maybe gone to, oh I don't know, the actual champion's of those respective games? I mean personally I don't see much wrong for Manny attending a high-profile event. Mamba might, and since he played Manny a whole lot more his take on that is probably a lot more accurate than mine is.
But what I see wrong is when Manny goes to an event and blocks out everyone else, while managing to weasel in lesser players, girlfriends and personal friends instead to ensure he is the only one in high placement with his contacts.
"Competing in qualifiers around the world, the top 8 players have rightfully earned their spot..."
This here? This is how a company should be treating their top players. Not just running on the assumption that one guy is the best simply because he says so and that he should be allowed to call all of the shots. That's beyond poor form.
He never tried to correct them. He said "I'M DOA MASTER, THE MOST ACCOMPLISHED DOA PLAYER EVER!" And then he plotted to keep everyone else out as best as he could while continuing to claim this. He is doing so to this day. It's borderline fraud. Hell it's not even borderline, it IS fraud.
Chosen1 did the same thing by claiming he was a Madden champion (I'm still looking for proof of this, Sebastian...), and that got him into WCG UG.
Now they are part of the same clique getting the same opportunities which probably should have maybe gone to, oh I don't know, the actual champion's of those respective games? I mean personally I don't see much wrong for Manny attending a high-profile event. Mamba might, and since he played Manny a whole lot more his take on that is probably a lot more accurate than mine is.
But what I see wrong is when Manny goes to an event and blocks out everyone else, while managing to weasel in lesser players, girlfriends and personal friends instead to ensure he is the only one in high placement with his contacts.
"Competing in qualifiers around the world, the top 8 players have rightfully earned their spot..."
This here? This is how a company should be treating their top players. Not just running on the assumption that one guy is the best simply because he says so and that he should be allowed to call all of the shots. That's beyond poor form.
Rikuto
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No, it's the part where they can make up their own mind about where they stand on the social hierarchy and whether or not they can survive in two different camps. Like I said, there are some people over there who naturally creep people out over here. You have teenage girls, young women acting like teenage girls, young boys trying to white knight the teenage girls, old men trying to white knight the teenage girls, and young boys trying to flirt with the old men. There's regular decent folk there too, of course, but there's enough shit going on there that has no place on a competitive forum at all.
x Sypher x
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I'm bored so I'm just gonna list some fun stuff:
We all know Manny aint the best there is but from what I've seen...
MASTER = Best Hayabusa
Offbeat Ninja = Best Ein
Black Mamba = Best Helena
PL = Best Hayate
Vanessa = Best Hitomi
AP = Best Kasumi
Rikuto = Best Bayman/Leon
VirtuaPai = Best Leifang/Tina
Awesmic = Best Christie
Nod Subway = Best Tengu
Ninja CW = Best Gen Fu
Aaaaaand that's all I got so far. Like I said this is all based on observation and/or opinion.
We all know Manny aint the best there is but from what I've seen...
MASTER = Best Hayabusa
Offbeat Ninja = Best Ein
Black Mamba = Best Helena
PL = Best Hayate
Vanessa = Best Hitomi
AP = Best Kasumi
Rikuto = Best Bayman/Leon
VirtuaPai = Best Leifang/Tina
Awesmic = Best Christie
Nod Subway = Best Tengu
Ninja CW = Best Gen Fu
Aaaaaand that's all I got so far. Like I said this is all based on observation and/or opinion.
Rikuto
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ehhh..... no. No, sorry.
More than half of those are just totally wrong. It's good that you seem to know who's playing who, though.
The most wrong example is subway... A person who has never even gone to a tournament cannot be considered the best with a character, no matter how loud his mouth is.
x Sypher x
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Yeah, hence why I said "opinion" lol. I only know of a small portion of the entire community anyway, I haven't seen everything or everyone. I wasn't shooting for facts, but hopefully some people will take them as compliments.
Just add, "One of the" in front of everything and the list will be fixed lol. Oh and I'll fix that 1st sentence too.
x Sypher x
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Oops, did I do thaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
x Sypher x
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Eh I guess so, I was just bored. I'm surprised Relius hasn't responded yet though.
Rikuto
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ergh....
Well since this was brought up randomly....
The competitive player does his best to "prove" he is the best through facts. You don't want to go around saying someone is or isn't the best in your "opinion", because that takes away from the factual accomplishments. Facts have to support it, or the entire purpose behind competition falls apart.
That, and it makes you look silly.
Now, can we end this abortion of a thread? I'm done talking about manny and julius rage for now.
Well since this was brought up randomly....
The competitive player does his best to "prove" he is the best through facts. You don't want to go around saying someone is or isn't the best in your "opinion", because that takes away from the factual accomplishments. Facts have to support it, or the entire purpose behind competition falls apart.
That, and it makes you look silly.
Now, can we end this abortion of a thread? I'm done talking about manny and julius rage for now.
Relius Starkiller
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Wrong, Chosen1 got on WCG Ultimate gamer because he was a loud boisterous black man who could articulate himself. In his gamer interview on youtube little to no mention was made of his madden cred - Which I'm sure hes got some. . . every-bodies the champion of their own living room right?
The more I look into pre-cgs past I begin to see where Master actually had justification in calling himself the best at the time. DID1 was won by Master, which at that time was the biggest DOA tournament, then he placed second at evo where all the best players were and then he won DID2.
So, technically, when the CGI came knocking, who was the most credentialed? Master.
Once again, not entirely accurate. Master has lost more DID's than hes won and during the time the CGS was active he won a grand total of 1, DID 2. So they saw him lose, everyone knows hes lost and master isn't exactly a superstar in the world of pro-gaming - look at his youtube channel, 15k views max and the average is a few thousand.
If anything Mamba winning all of the money he won, Offbeat winning all the money he won and everyone who was able to (quote-un-qoute) legitimately get onto the CGS should have put a stake in Masters reputation as the best but it didn't and its their fault.
You're blaming Master for being braggadocios and having an ego - he talked himself up and put himself in a position to make decisions. If you had the contacts that Master had there wouldn't have been any tournaments coming from you because your love for the game is conditional, he wears DOA like a badge of honor. He is the face of DOA because he loves it and he doesn't go out into the masses and tell people everything thats wrong with the damn game.
Thats the difference.
If Mamba actually gave a shit he would have been hosting tournaments post CGS and stripping away the notion that Master is the only guy holding big events but the fact is that he got paid, he didn't really like the game that much and he moved on. Thats his prerogative but you don't get to come back years later complaining about the opportunities that passed you by when you were driving your own car.
I respect Master, yeah, because he supported a game that would have been completely dead if many of you had your say. You think the patches you wanted didn't get done because of DOA Master? Could have swore it was Itigaki in a 1up.com interview talking about how he had created the "prefect fighter". Is it masters fault that Team Ninja wanted to make more money on Ninja Gaiden and Metroid Other M? I'm not insinuating anyone has made these claims but I'm just pointing out one of the many disappointments that Master had nothing to do with.
And I'm sure that everyone ignoring his response to the Tom Brady vid's had nothing to do with him distancing himself further from the competitive community. . .because lets be honest, why would I trap myself on an airplane for a 12 hour trip to Japan and then be forced to spend 3 nights in close proximity with people who hate my guts - because you all would love to go spend a night at Masters pad right?
Oh, wait, thats right PERFECT LEGEND WAS SUPPOSED TO GO BUT HE GOT SNOWED IN.
Jesus Fucking Christ.
Again - reference the above postings - you have to look at who was where at the time. Master, when CGS came knocking Manny was in fact the most accomplished and biggest personality at the time. Afterwards, no, leading up to that point, yes.
Blame Master all you want but this is a big shit sandwich and you all laid some doo butter on the bread.
Relius Starkiller
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No idea who this is.
x Sypher x
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Ah there he is