Say whaaaaat? What is going on here?

[Relius Starkiller]

You're overlooking facts now.

I pointed out that I've done altruistic things in the past but now you're pretending like this is the first time I've ever show the slightest hint of being out for anyone but myself - which ain't true. There are people out there who know what I've done for them - some of them aren't around anymore but they know.

Rikuto did not speak loudly enough and was toned down either by his sense of self-preservation or his friends. After he didn't get on the CGS the second time he let fly in a major way but to say the guy didn't check himself for a while there is a lie.

And I'm not referring to "that" situation, I'm referring to the fact that we've both been in similar situations. We've both lost and gained - me more times than you, trust me. But the point is that you said you've always been the same guy, once upon a time you had to do certain things and say certain things that a self-sufficient Cyberevil does not.

I haven't overlooked a single argument. This thread has gone on as long as it has because I addressed everyone with a counter point to mine.


Mamba says he did a guide, frame data for a character and trained people - you still won all that money and never used any of it to help the community.

CW says Master positioned himself as champion - I say you allowed him to do that and I haven't seen a convincing rebuttal to that point CE, if there was, show me.

MR. Wah pointed out that people are saying Master only posts video when he wins but that wasn't even true - video of him losing to Allan Paris is up on the TKP youtube.

There are not too many points here that I haven't answered and then countered with a point that just gets a "You don't understand, lol" Seriously, find me some shit in this thread that I did not respond to and I'll happily break it down.

 

[Relius Starkiller]

Bit bored.

Buy a pocket pussy.

 

[Allan Paris]

There is no point being missed here idiot, its an evolving conversation. Hey, anyone who really wants this thread to die, just ignore me. I'm not going to make an alt and I'm not going to lament the fact. You want the conversation to be over, go back into the bubble and ignore me. Either way, you all sold out and nothing you can say will ever change that fact.

This isn't evolving in anyway, you get more and more outlandish with the shit you say in each post. I can't speak for anyone, I haven't sold out to anything. If so, I'd be doing what you're doing right now or over at TKP playing the position that was being setup for me.

I haven't overlooked a single argument. This thread has gone on as long as it has because I addressed everyone with a counter point to mine.

CW says Master positioned himself as champion - I say you allowed him to do that and I haven't seen a convincing rebuttal to that point CE, if there was, show me.

MR. Wah pointed out that people are saying Master only posts video when he wins but that wasn't even true - video of him losing to Allan Paris is up on the TKP youtube.

MASTER was the "marketable" one so that's how that shit was spun. As far as I know no one allowed it, but if the head of anything says you're the man, guess what, you're the man. Shit is so bad now that the perception is still burned into many people, actually those 200K+ plus viewers you so kindly mentioned earlier.

He nor I was saying that videos don't get posted when he loses. We are saying that events that he is in charge of and he doesn't win them the evidence of that "get lost" most of the time. I can attest to that because I have experienced it first had.

Lol, I just remember something. Long story short, I was late to that tournament and almost didn't make it. Something happened with the brackets and that gave me time to make it. When I won and was standing on the stage before he begin speaking in the mic announcing the winners. MASTER covered the mic and leaned over to me and said, "See I should have DQ'ed you and you wouldn't have even won but then people would have been like oohh you're shady."

I do not know why that was said, salty maybe? TN was there and the usual suspect didn't win it, not a good look maybe? I didn't ask because I honestly didn't know how to take it and I was still on the hype of what I had just did SR. Its not the like the tournament was delayed for me because the show was going to move on without me. A technicality happened and not on my behalf and I was able to make it. So why was that even said to me? If I can remember ask I will most definitely ask MASTER about it whenever we catch up with each other. For now though, can you answer that for me? Since you seem to be playing defense task force at the moment.

 

[Rikuto]

Relius you're acting like I've never raised issue against anyone besides Manny before. This is your selective memory kicking in again. It's not true in the slightest, Manny is just the worst and he happens to be the ringleader for the players to circle around. I went up against PMS in a big way and got banned for it. I went up against all of them after the DOAD loketest and got banned again. I even got into a big argument with Morris which degenerated into the old guy accusing me of being some kind of doped out hippie with circles of friends who like to "do the koolaid".

During our argument Morris even told me he had pictures of us in his digital album and that he considered me a friend. That was his attempt to repair the bridge. I STILL told him off. No self-preservation required.

Chosen1 got pissed off at my attacks on his credentials and challenged me to some kind of bizzare multi-genre money match which, while interesting, would still have proven absolutely nothing about his credentials even if he managed to win since im not the top of the field.

The period of time you probably didn't see me speaking out was during CGS season 1, post-combine. You know why? Its because there was nothing to speak out about. I wasn't there, what was there to comment on? I sure as hell didn't watch the show either, it looked stupid as hell. So all that was left were a few legit tournaments here and there inbetween combines which master and crew couldn't be bothered to attend since losing might sully their precious image.

I felt as though I and a few others were not given proper consideration at the second combine so I raised hell over it. We all practiced hard and performed respectably and not one of us got drafted in place of the people who had not in the previous season. It wasn't motivated by selfishness either -- Rabies was one of the individuals I was not getting along with AT ALL at the time and I stuck up for him there too. Half a year prior we were about an inch away from coming to actual blows with each other (not self preservation there either). Why would I do this on his behalf? Simply mentioning Taikou and myself would have made the case strong enough. I did it because my personal beef with Rabies didn't change the fact he wasn't getting what he earned, and my morality comes before my personal beef.

So don't try to insinuate I'm no better than Master, because he wouldn't have done that for anyone he was hostile with in a thousand years.

 

[Relius Starkiller]

I do not know why that was said, salty maybe? TN was there and the usual suspect didn't win it, not a good look maybe? I didn't ask because I honestly didn't know how to take it and I was still on the hype of what I had just did SR. Its not the like the tournament was delayed for me because the show was going to move on without me. A technicality happened and not on my behalf and I was able to make it. So why was that even said to me? If I can remember ask I will most definitely ask MASTER about it whenever we catch up with each other. For now though, can you answer that for me? Since you seem to be playing defense task force at the moment.

Sure, why not.

Because, as I've stated before, he has an ego and I'm sure losing that tournament didn't feel very good.

But more importantly he didn't DQ you for something other people at bigger tournaments outside this community have paid the price for.

So look at it how you like.

This isn't evolving in anyway, you get more and more outlandish with the shit you say in each post. I can't speak for anyone, I haven't sold out to anything. If so, I'd be doing what you're doing right now or over at TKP playing the position that was being setup for me.



MASTER was the "marketable" one so that's how that shit was spun. As far as I know no one allowed it, but if the head of anything says you're the man, guess what, you're the man. Shit is so bad now that the perception is still burned into many people, actually those 200K+ plus viewers you so kindly mentioned earlier.

He nor I was saying that videos don't get posted when he loses. We are saying that events that he is in charge of and he doesn't win them the evidence of that "get lost" most of the time. I can attest to that because I have experienced it first had.

A) Master won CGI 1 and 2, placed at evo, won DID2 and placed 2nd at DOAtec. He had every right, in that pocket of time, to call himself the best.

B) Master doesn't get 200k views, he averages in the single digit thousands - I was referring to swoozies average views. I can't think of a video from swoozies channel that has him talking about "Manny "Master" Rodriguez, the best DOA player in the world." And anyone who transitioned from the CGI to CGS and watched the show knew Master wasn't the best after that point.

C) After CGS died down and the money went away, so did the Mamba, PL and Offbeat. Who stayed behind? Master. So who gets to claim the title of "Best in the world" uncontested? Master but even when it was up for debate, no one was debating it. They were just collecting their pay checks - Who's fault is that?

D) The footage doesn't go up immediately when he wins (Think DID5) but win, lose or draw the footage sees daylight and it was on the offical DOAC youtube.

This isn't evolving in anyway, you get more and more outlandish with the shit you say in each post. I can't speak for anyone, I haven't sold out to anything. If so, I'd be doing what you're doing right now or over at TKP playing the position that was being setup for me.

- The conversation started out with people questioning Masters credibility, I conceded more than a few points on that front

- Then we transitioned into why you guys didn't do more to take what you felt was being stolen from you

- Now we've arrived at the inevitable point where I bring up the fact that many of the people arguing Master's shadiness took money from the CGS in exchange for their ideals. .. but then again, maybe it was always about the money and they saw Master was making too much of it.

Thats evolution kiddo.

And, I haven't been to TKP in month. The shit with Xino made me take a step back - I'm not going to be doing any interviews or putting my name on anything associated with that guy and his ramblings.

Let me do the hard thinking Allan, you just sit back and wait for me to shut up like you said yo would.

 

[Relius Starkiller]

I felt as though I and a few others were not given proper consideration at the second combine so I raised hell over it. We all practiced hard and performed respectably and not one of us got drafted in place of the people who had not in the previous season. It wasn't motivated by selfishness either -- Rabies was one of the individuals I was not getting along with AT ALL at the time and I stuck up for him there too. Half a year prior we were about an inch away from coming to actual blows with each other (not self preservation there either). Why would I do this on his behalf? Simply mentioning Taikou and myself would have made the case strong enough. I did it because my personal beef with Rabies didn't change the fact he wasn't getting what he earned, and my morality comes before my personal beef.

So don't try to insinuate I'm no better than Master, because he wouldn't have done that for anyone he was hostile with in a thousand years.

Ulterior motives, I'm sure you sticking up for rabies helped repair your relationship.

Quite frankly, whether you watched or not you knew what was going on and you checked yourself because being a pro-gamer was something you wanted. Pissing off the PMS clan is one thing, I've done that and all it got me was a slap on the wrist, pissing off the people signing the checks is a whole nuther can of worms and opening that one would have X'ed out your goal of getting on the CGS - its just that simple.

- You weren't anywhere near those forums questioning the validity of the CGI events with any kind of muster.

- You weren't there detailing intelligently why a womens division was only there as a marketing tool (Something I actually did, not dirty jokes or cursing involved.)

- You weren't there giving shouts out to (My quote) "my boi" Perfect Legend and his blackball status - he was acting really stupid and he paid the price but I felt the price was too high (And this in no way conflicts with me saying he was acting "Niggerish" at CGI, he was and he got burned for it. . .I'm black people, I can say this word!)

- You weren't there talking about the belle situation on a regular basis.

- Hell, how often were you there talking about the monitors and how none of what they were doing really mattered until those were fixed (I did that when I got word about the monitors.)

And since when are Chosen1 and Master BFF's? If this was really a Master production don't you think King would have been on that flight and not C1?

So you might not be "Master" but you did what you had to do to maintain and you did everything up to a certain point.

But truth to power doesn't have a threshold - it pushes until it destroys itself and everyone around it so that its message can be heard by a few, in hopes that they do the same to pass it along.

Thats the difference.

 

[Rikuto]

Ulterior motives, I'm sure you sticking up for rabies helped repair your relationship.

..... how would repairing my relationship with a guy I wanted to punch in the face at the time help me get what I wanted? I mean I guess if my ultimate plan was going for a sucker punch that would have aligned with my intentions, but comn... you're giving me too much credit for elaborate conspiracy theories here.

- You weren't anywhere near those forums questioning the validity of the CGI events with any kind of muster.

Those forums? As in CGS forums? Of course I wasn't there. Nobody there gave two shits, and as I recall the forums there were dead as hell. All going there did was get you banned from the combine by whatever fat guy was payed to moderate those dead forums. That's hardly what I call efficiency.

- You weren't there detailing intelligently why a womens division was only there as a marketing tool (Something I actually did, not dirty jokes or cursing involved.)

I was on the doac forums though. and like I said, banned for it. Going out in a blaze of glory isn't always enough to get things done though.

- You weren't there giving shouts out to (My quote) "my boi" Perfect Legend and his blackball status - he was acting really stupid and he paid the price but I felt the price was too high (And this in no way conflicts with me saying he was acting "Niggerish" at CGI, he was and he got burned for it. . .I'm black people, I can say this word!)

...I have no idea what you just said.

- You weren't there talking about the belle situation on a regular basis.

Let's be honest.... in season 1, who the fuck really cared? All the girls were bad, and the very few who knew how to block did actually get drafted. Season 2 you had better girls stepping up like phoenix, and raspberry had come along quite well too. Raspberry actually deserved to get drafted that year based on who was in attendance and she got screwed over because of Belle's free ride.

Hell was raised about that on the forums, and don't assume you know the full conversation I had with Geffon on the phone, either. In hindsight the guy probably knew the league would collapse soon so he just got his girlfriend drafted to make as much money as humanly possible between the two of them and bail.

- Hell, how often were you there talking about the monitors and how none of what they were doing really mattered until those were fixed (I did that when I got word about the monitors.)

I never played on the overtaxed, split cabled monitors they used for CGS proper. Why am I going to complain about something I have no experience with? The CGS players are the only ones who could make that complaint with validity, I couldn't and I wasn't going to. When they all unanimously stated it was horrible though, it became apparent it wasn't just the stigma of one person bitching that you get at a grassroots tournament.

And since when are Chosen1 and Master BFF's? If this was really a Master production don't you think King would have been on that flight and not C1?

Well they are both miserable scumbags, and you know what they say about misery.

So you might not be "Master" but you did what you had to do to maintain and you did everything up to a certain point.

I did what came naturally to me based on the things I personally observed and knew to be true. I never had anything worth maintaining, yet you you seem to think so, as did my friends at the time who would continually try to talk me down.

See at some point I learned that people will respect you a lot more when you tell the truth with conviction when it matters, but don't go out of your way to start unnecessary shit. So thats the line I walk. You have a hard time understanding where that line is, and thats historically gotten you into trouble that didn't help yourself or your cause.

 

[Allan Paris]

D) The footage doesn't go up immediately when he wins (Think DID5) but win, lose or draw the footage sees daylight and it was on the offical DOAC youtube.

It is going on a year now, next month on the 11th I believe. The only thing that is up is watered down video of the event in its entirety, the convention is the main focal point of the video. Then you have a by-standers video of him losing a match. Nothing official has went up yet of the biggest DiD that has been held, a DiD that TN has attended and was vocal with the community, correct me if I am wrong on that one.

EDIT: Oh shit, I take this back, apparently sWooZie put up a video, my apologies on that. Still out of the 224 comments, only like 3 of them are not pole riding MASTER and sWooZie. Even with video proof of someone else winning, most are still oblivious to anyone else who is capable of playing this game well. I personally have no further complaints as of now, 4 videos: bootleg recording of the finals, MASTER's on the entire event ending with the tournament and him saying my name, someone's recording of MASTER losing, and then sWooZie's covering more of the tournament itself kind of.

However, there are still other clear issues that are going on that I can see. Since I am not personally involved in those problems, all I can do is watch and take notes and make sure the shit doesn't happen to me. Whoever knew politics could get grimey in video games, shit crazy.

Outside of all of this, I'd like to tell you J.R., before I ignore you, you are one of the most annoying fucks I have ever came across over the internet. This shit has really been brain wrecking talking to you. You may suffer from personality disorder, seriously, get that shit checked out. Hopefully this is just your internet persona.

Let me do the hard thinking Allan

You got it. Doing a hell of a job at it.

 

[Relius Starkiller]

But truth to power doesn't have a threshold - it pushes until it destroys itself and everyone around it so that its message can be heard by a few, in hopes that they do the same to pass it along.

Thats the difference.

And this is the point where I started just arguing for arguments sake.

You did what you felt you had to do Rikuto and so did I - I can't sit here with a straight face and measure your actions against mine.

 

[Awesmic]

For once awesmic says something fucking hilarious instead of being weird.

I overlooked this...

Who are you, and what have you done to Raansu? >_>

 

[|Hero|Gustavo]

Damn, read me a new bedtime story DOA community. This one is getting old.

 

[Awesmic]

Now there's a pleasant surprise.

Welcome to FSD, GSlip! =)

 

[Rikuto]

And this is the point where I started just arguing for arguments sake.

You did what you felt you had to do Rikuto and so did I - I can't sit here with a straight face and measure your actions against mine.

You've been arguing for arguments sake since the very start.

First you argued that I was wrong about Manny being corrupt.

Then you argued that I was right, but I should shut my mouth and be corrupt like everyone else.

Then you argued I was already corrupt like everyone else.

Then you argued I wasn't loud enough back in the day.

Now you're not sure what you should be arguing so you took a short break. It's ok, i'll give you some time to catch up if you want to go another round.

 

[Blackburry]

Wow this thread is ridiculous....and going nowhere.

And to be honest its not a good look.

 

[x Sypher x]

Wow this thread is ridiculous....and going nowhere.

And to be honest its not a good look.

And I am the evil mastermind behind it all, MUAH HA HA HA HA!...no really I am.....nah I'm kidding.

 

[Rikuto]

It is ridiculous.

Good that it got a few facts out for some of the newer people, though i think its more than run its course.

 

[Relius Starkiller]

You've been arguing for arguments sake since the very start.

First you argued that I was wrong about Manny being corrupt.

Then you argued that I was right, but I should shut my mouth and be corrupt like everyone else.

Then you argued I was already corrupt like everyone else.

Then you argued I wasn't loud enough back in the day.

Now you're not sure what you should be arguing so you took a short break. It's ok, i'll give you some time to catch up if you want to go another round.

I conceded that Master might have been corrupt but little more than anyone else who ever took money from the CGS and didn't say in public what they said behind closed doors. I suggested you simmer down and let things play out. . .

And then I realized that you already did that once, so you're already corrupt like everyone else.

And then you argued that you were this bastion for truth and always spoke up but the fact is you shut your mouth when you realized it could have cost you.

I was trying to say that we can agree to disagree and we still can because I learned in this thread that once upon a time it required external influence for you to both speak up (Alcohol) and shut your mouth (Your friends.).

And again, I'm not judging you - I'm just stating facts. I'm the bigger man because I can concede points, even when Wah pointed out something you weren't completely on the money about you basically just blew it off and blamed it on Master.

 

[Awesmic]

And I am the evil mastermind behind it all, MUAH HA HA HA HA!...no really I am.....nah I'm kidding.

Since the thread's gonna die or lock or whatever, DOA bedtime stories will continue on my Facebook...

The contents will include making grapplers ninjas, giving Jann Lee Piccolo's outfit with an alternate Special Beam Cannon Power Blow, the wonders of no holds in stun, and multiple throw transitions from Tina's 6k. If anyone else has more ideas, I'll improvise... it's what I do.

 

[Rikuto]

I conceded that Master might have been corrupt but little more than anyone else who ever took money from the CGS and didn't say in public what they said behind closed doors. I suggested you simmer down and let things play out. . .

And then I realized that you already did that once, so you're already corrupt like everyone else.

And then you argued that you were this bastion for truth and always spoke up but the fact is you shut your mouth when you realized it could have cost you.

I was trying to say that we can agree to disagree and we still can because I learned in this thread that once upon a time it required external influence for you to both speak up (Alcohol) and shut your mouth (Your friends.).

And again, I'm not judging you - I'm just stating facts. I'm the bigger man because I can concede points, even when Wah pointed out something you weren't completely on the money about you basically just blew it off and blamed it on Master.

The irony.

 

[Relius Starkiller]

The irony.

Ironic, the same place you hoped to get paid is the same place you swore up and down was destroying the competitive community.

" I love the CGS" Rikuto murmured to himself, voice dripping with sarcasm, as he sat on stage at a CGS event, defeated, cradling locks of his once attached ginger mane. "I'll get em next year though."

Hindsight is 20/20 for most but you're free to view it through whatever prism you like.

Try as you might to hold yourself to a higher standard and put yourself above it all whether you fall in line on your own or on someone else's say so, you did it before and when big money comes within your reach you'll do it again.

Are we done, because I'd love to bookend this thread with an insightful monologue/summary.