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So really... Why is Zack low tier?

xZacksterx

xZacksterx

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I always wondered why people look down on him? Hes actually a really good character, he has good mix ups and combos?
 
David Gregg

David Gregg

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xZacksterx said:
haha, im fairly new to the forums he is my main character i just want to kno why he is supposedly low tier :p
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Sorry didn't know you were new here it's just that this gets brought up repeatedly in other threads. The consensus is that he was considered "low tier" in 5 but not anymore in 5U. Bringing up tiers at this point is meaningless though as the game hasn't been out for even a month.
 
Yaguar

Yaguar

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Zack never loses, the game just cheats to restore balance to the world.

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MasterHavik

MasterHavik

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Welcome to the Zack section friend. In vanilla people saw him as low tier, but could very effective. He's not anymore in this game, but people don't use Zack and just assume. People don't take the character serious.
 
AkaShocka

AkaShocka

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Zack. I just got whooped by some Zack player. :( it was sad. He was really good too. But afterwards it was Lisa vs Zack. I won each one with Lisa xD. I actually like Lisa vs Zack, such a mixing, twisting, turning, flipping, dancing, taunts Lisa and Zack are just everywhere lol.
Lisa and Zack are extremely underplayed are but they both have nasty mix up games, oh well, it feels good using a character that no one else uses. Makes me feel special xD
 
Yaguar

Yaguar

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AkaShocka said:
Lisa at a good level play? Uuumm, no she is not everywhere lol.
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I must run into a Lisa 1/10 games of ranked and pretty often in Lobbys too. She's probably the second most I see represented to Kasumi right now. I might just be getting all the Lisa's though but she has a decent representation from what I've seen.

I need to look at some of Zack's frame data but his main weakness (for my play style) is the loss of force techs. Keeping pressure now is a bitch and being able to PP2KKKK FT for +9 was my go to, follow up with :P::P: or :2::K::P: or even :7::K::K: was just a constant stream. Sure he has better strings now but I just can't hold the pressure.
:4::K: is still a solid entry and :4::P: :6::P+K: is a hell of an addition for whiff punishing.

I'd have placed Zack at the lower end of mid-tier in DOA5 due to his massive ability to keep offense going. He didn't have Christies complete package but he could keep you on your feet and force guess work and just loop through and through. This is kinda lost in 5U (for everyone pretty much). I mean you can :2::K:(KKKK) which I think may be pseudo (need to check numbers) but for me he doesn't have the same re-entry to fight potential that others have right now.

That said!
:2::H+K: is legit.
:4::K: is a monster still.
vs. raw tech you still have a slight advantage to use.
Pseudo-Tech game is a little sloppy as sometimes you'll just raw whiff :2::K: and eat a wake up kick.
I'd imagine that :2::H+K: ending strings (:6::K::2::K:) strings have the potential to be pseudo-force techs. That being the case I'd say he's right up there if you can maintain the pressure.

Until I get some raw lab time, even with his new bits, depending on how FT stuff works out I'll probably leave Zack on the bench. I HAVE to have some way of working the wake up game (be it Ein stepping back and waiting for a whiff to 6P+K or just going in on the tech or Momiji's 7P). It's just the way I feel comfortable.

EDIT ADDITION:
He was low because he lacked tools compared to the rest of the cast and any Parry character ate him as well as strongest strings being high so easily interrupted. But he should have been low-mid overall due to FT and pressure game actually making some of those 4-6's to 5-5's and 3-7's to 4-6.
 
MasterHavik

MasterHavik

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Zack isn't on the lower en dof mid he's much higher now and a lot better. Zack can hold pressure even better since he got safer you're right about any character with a parry ate him for free. People lie and say the worst mu in DOA is a 6-4 is fucking bullshit when zack fucking 7-3s all over the fucking place. Also everyone lost force tech and there are still always to get the force tech to work anyways, but everyone lost a lot of their force tech and it's more of a mind game fest now. Zack is better now since he's a lot safer on block and really keep a opponent lockdown and has a stronger long range and mid range game. He also is beating a lot of characters because of speed now too and is able to bulldog some. A lot of his bad mus are out the windows and he is actually giving character some trouble.

AkaShocka said:
Your making a Zack guide? Can Lisa be featured? :confused: lol
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I would play her if Deja vu was so fucking hard to do outside of that i know some combos and her basic game.
 
GeomighT

GeomighT

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where this zack guide be @ Yo ?! i wanna drop ko ko already mind sharing me the beta guide -_- ill sign the NDA
 
xZacksterx

xZacksterx

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haha well at least now i finally know why he was low tier... but i like his switch ups the most i just need to learn how to master duck and sway!! :)
 
xZacksterx

xZacksterx

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and properly using then as tools to keep the opponent guessing, instead of getting countered first hit haha
 
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