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Jonathan Johnson

Jonathan Johnson

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I say lets just see how the first tournament plays out and then we can make judgements like whats needs to be patch or who needs to be buff or not
Everyone can let Shimbori know at the SB what needs to be patched
There are some stuff I don't agree about on the decision of TN but I think we some first see how it's played at the tournament
Just my opinion though
 
Mailifang

Mailifang

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DrDogg said:
1. This site was specifically created to cater to those competitive players.

2. Team Ninja specifically stated they would like to see the game perform better in competitive circles.

3. Team Ninja took input from many people on this site (and many other people) specifically to create a game that would appeal to competitive players.

4. If DOA5 is not up to par, many people here will not play the game and the longevity of the title will be severely cut. There's a reason why WB continues to support MK to keep it in the competitive scene, despite the fact that MK9 sold 3 million copies in the first few months.

5. If you cannot understand or simply do not agree with any of these statements, then you should consider the fact that maybe this isn't the DOA site for you. There are plenty of other DOA sites that could care less about the competitive viability of the title.
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1. I knew that when I joined the site.No need to remind me.

2. And the game can and will perform in better competitive circles.It doesn't necessarily mean it has to appeal strictly to the competitive sensibilities of a small part of the community as a whole

3. I get that.Just because they got feedback from you guys doesn't necessarily mean they will follow it all if not any of it.

4. Well that means the 20 to maybe a 100 of the more vocal offline players will not support the series.That's not a big loss for a company like Tecmo. You guys are already bitching about the game already yet a few of you including yourself showed up and participated in the Summer Jam tournament .The competitive seen is great for advertising.It gets the fighting game community as whole hype for the product.Yet we don't see not even 10% of the 3 million people who bought copies of MK9 participating in major tournies. Most of those buyers were fans and casual players who like the series.

5. This site is for me.I am a die hard DOA fan and player. I organized my own offline tournaments at my local hobby shop back when DOA Ultimate came out. I'm not the best at the game to where I have participated or won in any major tournaments. But I have played quite a few of you online and realized that my skill is not at some random scrub level.

You have my utmost respect Dr Dogg for all you have done within and for the DOA community. So I mean no disrespect when I say I will not be bullied or intimidated by you or anyone on this site from not voicing my opinion. All of you are free to say what you got to say as far as DOA is concerned.The same should apply to me and others who feel the same way. The High level community is not the end all be all of the DOA fan base. I play DOA to win.And Invested enough time in playing the series to say I take it seriously.I play the game at more than a casual level. I am apart of the DOA community as a whole.

I just still accept the fact that DOA is only a game.

I usually keep silent on these issues. I've seen enough of the drama at DOAC to realize that the DOA high level community is a bit full of themselves. But that's most fighting game communities. They like and thrive on they're exclusivity and fraternity like" Your either with us or against us mentality". If you want more DOA players to participate in the offline community you need to eliminate the US and Them mentality you guys have. Basically your telling me and others that
"This Is our DOA club house and if you dont feel about the game like we do then you can't come in"

That's fine if its just you and small group of friends creating a club just to acknowledge your way of playing the game. If your gonna bitch and moan about the game then that's fine.Just wait until it comes out and people have had time to play it first before spreading doom and gloom.

Raansu said:
doaworld.com

Think you would fit in better over there.
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Maybe.But I like it here ^_^.

DrDogg said:
Taking it back to 2005 I see? Okay, sure... name 3 online players that schooled high level players in an offline, tournament environment. If you can't then your point is invalid.
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Man, you are such a typical guy lol. To be honest I probably can't.But I do know that quite a few online players have made it to offline events and even got on CGS show as competitors and held their own and even beat offline players. The proof is out there.Now if you and the high level community can stop acting like your at a school yard and encourage players instead of alienating them maybe you will get more offline support.
 
TRI Mike

TRI Mike

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I just watched the video again. Looking at the developers play the final build like that is extremely depressing...

I'm sure the game is very good. Just not exactly what most of us wanted after the E3 build was seen but I think it's going to be on par with 3.1. Once the weeks and months start to go by people will find better and better things to do with the vast majority of the characters. Things that Bryan didn't find because he simply didn't have enough time to break it down.

I think that panicking over something one member of the forums is saying is silly. Do you think the other fighting games that gather thousands of people in offline events like AE don't have problems as well¿ Why do you think there have been like 7 versions of SF4 already¿ because the game was far from being what it needed to be and even today many good players over at SRK.com bitch about tons of things in AE2012.

I have a hunch that a patch will eventually come for DOA5 because one thing is certain. Critical Bursts are not as important as TN thinks and they're going to need to lower the threshold back to E3 level to make the mechanic actually happen in matches between good players. Another thing I see from Bryan's comments is that the game is far from balanced. If Akira, Pai and company are really that powerful when put next to disasters like Helena and Lisa then a 5.1 is definitely coming.

But overall the game is very good and definitely viable for competitive play. Stop the whining and wait until you get the actual game in your hands and spend at least a few days with it before making a final consensus. And to the new members: Use your logic, if another member who has tons and tons of posts, likes and just looks like he knows what he's talking about, take his/her words for truth and learn from them instead of being in denial over your fanboyism (I made up that word). You don't like DOA more than anyone here.
 
chocogerman777

chocogerman777

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One more week..
Anxiety levels are at an all-time high.

Mailifang said:
If players can and will support a busted ass game like MVC2 then why can't the DOA community come together as a whole community offline and online to play and support DOA5.
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I like this.
I still really enjoy MvC 2 to this day.
 
Raansu

Raansu

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Mailifang said:
Man, you are such a typical guy lol. To be honest I probably can't.But I do know that quite a few online players have made it to offline events and even got on CGS show as competitors and held their own and even beat offline players. The proof is out there.Now if you and the high level community can stop acting like your at a school yard and encourage players instead of alienating them maybe you will get more offline support.
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*sigh*

I've already said this in a different thread but this site is much more oriented toward competitive play. Users here will view things about the game much differently than most which is why I suggested doaw to you. It wasn't meant to be disrespectful, just a suggestion that doaw's environment would fit you better as your constant bashing of high level players is mostly not going to sit well with many users here (the irony of you calling has acting like we are at a school yard).

And for the record...I can't really think of any top level players who consider CGS legit, including those that attended CGS. Those events had extremely jacked up formats.
 
Mailifang

Mailifang

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I do respect Dr Dogg and his opinions TRI Mike. And just because I am new doesn't mean I haven't been around the block or don't know about the community or those in it. Its just I don't agree with all he has to say. As far as game play is concerned he is probably right. But at the same time as a well respected member of the community he should use some logic and wait for the game to get released and played before trashing it.

Everyone on this site is a fan boy or fan girl of the DOA games. And even if some members have been here longer it doesn't mean they are always right.
 
Raansu

Raansu

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Mailifang said:
I do respect Dr Dogg and his opinions TRI Mike. And just because I am new doesn't mean I haven't been around the block or don't know about the community or those in it. Its just I don't agree with all he has to say. As far as game play is concerned he is probably right. But at the same time as a well respected member of the community he should use some logic and wait for the game to get released and played before trashing it.

Everyone on this site is a fan boy or fan girl of the DOA games. And even if some members have been here longer it doesn't mean they are always right.
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>_> ummm He wrote the guide and has the final build. I really don't think he has to wait for anything.
 
TRI Mike

TRI Mike

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Yes but that doesn't necessarily mean the entire fate of DOA5 rests on what Bryan says. A final consensus on the game won't be known until around Christmas time. I also don't think the game is perfect. There are many things I would have liked to see but doubting the success of the game on the lack of skill from the developers and the opinion of ONE member doesn't sound logical to me.

EDIT: I'm actually very worried about all this because as I've said, I have plans on saving up and spend big quantities of money on flying at least once or twice during 2013 to a major to compete and meet the community in person and for that to happen, the game needs to be good or there won't be any cool event to fly to. They already killed my main, Helena. The character I would have liked to live my DOA5 time with but I'm willing to change my main for it with no problems.

But what has me worried the most is the wait for the general opinion on the game. I know that Bryan knows what he's talking about and everything but the game needs to be out and some time needs to pass with MANY good players breaking it down before finally stating if it's good or not.

I truly think a patch will eventually come to change how CB work, whether they do it in a good or a bad way is beyond me.
 
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UncleKitchener

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It's nice that you play other games, Mailifang, but I don't know why you think people here who actually know how to play a game and have good intentions are now suddenly a bunch of selfish egotistical shit heads (okay, maybe a quarter of them), but telling them to shove their opinion up their asses is no way to get yourself taken seriously. I'm not saying you should lick their feet, but you should at least realize that they are telling the truth. I mean, for example, I can PM Mr. Wah right now and tell him he's a massive fat dick head or something, but at the end of the day, I know he's been playing these games for years with people who know their shit, so what they say is something which has been analysed and looked at from all angles.

No one cares about DOAC, that place was shit. So, let's just leave that behind us.

You just have to judge for yourself and see who is right and wrong here. Obviously, if you have more experience with other games and communities, then it's a hell of a lot easier.

Most of these guys here want you to improve. This is not New York where every one keep their tactics in their back pockets. and yes, you shouldn't take in whatever Bryan 'DrDogg' or John Doe say without processing it first (Yes, Bryan you have been wrong in the past. a lot. Same goes for me).

For me, it's not hard to just walk away from this game. Sure, I've made some contributions for the community, but I can just go back to KOF and Tekken or VF.
 
Mailifang

Mailifang

Well-Known Member
Raansu said:
*sigh*

I've already said this in a different thread but this site is much more oriented toward competitive play. Users here will view things about the game much differently than most which is why I suggested doaw to you. It wasn't meant to be disrespectful, just a suggestion that doaw's environment would fit you better as your constant bashing of high level players is mostly not going to sit well with many users here (the irony of you calling has acting like we are at a school yard).

And for the record...I can't really think of any top level players who consider CGS legit, including those that attended CGS. Those events had extremely jacked up formats.
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I'm not bashing the high level players,its more I hate the mentality that some in the DOA high level community have towards the rest of the DOA community. In a sense some of you are acting like your at a school yard. As a community you should accept all players and be a bit more inclusive. Instead you choose to separate yourselves from everyone else.

Well Master,Offbeat Ninja, Vanessa and quite a few others represented well.Not only that they had to perform on national TV even though it was only on DirectTV. It doesn't matter the venue, type of format, or the environment. The game was being played on even terms in a highly competitive environment.And those players played to win.Status as well as helping your team win and money was earned by those players.Those players reputations was also on the line. More so than the handful of offline DOA tournaments.
 
Rikuto

Rikuto

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Mailifang said:
I can tell a few of you are the "glass is half empty" personality types.
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It's not so much that I see my glass as half empty.

It's that I had a full glass, and ten random Japanese guys that nobody in the world has ever heard of started sipping out of it.


You can call that half-empty or half-full, but either way I'm going to be pissed off over the theft.
 
Mailifang

Mailifang

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Rikuto said:
It's not so much that I see my glass as half empty.

It's that I had a full glass, and ten random Japanese guys that nobody in the world has ever heard of started sipping out of it.


You can call that half-empty or half-full, but either way I'm going to be pissed off over the theft.
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I see where your coming from. I would kinda be pissed too.
 
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