Tengu Being Added? Female?

[Zeo]

Because I remember how satisfied you were with using Hitomi as a replacement for Ein.

I knew someone would try to pull that, but I didn't think it would be you. First off, that doesn't work. To begin with she doesn't play like him at all and having 40% of his movelist doesn't make her Ein nor does she even remotely play like him.

DOA3 proved that Hitomi with the right moveset and playstyle can perfectly replace Ein in my eyes as she was my main in that game with Hayate. So you could be right in this case, you just aren't. They are completely different characters.

Saying you should be grateful for getting a Tengu Ayane would suggest that the style is almost mirrored and exactly the same. Not that she gets a few parts of his moveset but plays entirely differently. I'm really surprised to get this comment from you of all people.

For those of you saying: "this is how the industry works, herp derp. Deal with it." No. You wanna know how the industry works? Make a legit game that isn't balanced like shit and then you can develop a reputation and marketing strategy that doesn't revolve around titties 24/7. Seems to work with pretty much every other 3D fighter.

I'm tired of having to constantly lower my expectations when I don't really ask for much to begin with. If Ein taught us anything it's that TN can lazily import an old character with little marketability with ease. Tengu should not be different. They can keep their absurd fascination with breasts as longer as they also provide other substance. But now they're trying to replace what little non-tit appeals they have with more tits, cause apparently it's a crime not to want boobs slapped on literally everything.

The game itself isn't any more or less balanced than other fighters. Yun rules AE, Zero and Vergil dominate UMVC3, every game has his top dogs and mutts, DOA is no different even in community. There's always the people complaining about the top tiers and the advocates for the lower tiers that want them buffed up to be fair. It's not exclusive to DOA and never has been. DOA doesn't have perfect balance by any means, but neither does any other fighter. A few others just arguably balance things slightly better.

So no, "tits" aren't there because we don't have a solid game behind them, it's because those are what people look at and buy. It's again, the nature of the beast because that's what's been decided is the main draw of this game's revenue. Again I didn't say I like it but it is the way it is and you should expect it at this point.

So no, I won't "curb my expectations" or "accept that this is how the market works." This is how TEAM NINJA works. These are the low expectations we have for TEAM NINJA. This isn't the fault of the market or Team Ninja trying to please their fans. This is Team Ninja doing what Team Ninja wants to do because Team Nina wants it this way. That's it. I don't know an other developer that I have these kind of ridiculous expectations for. And they can do that, but I don't have to feign a smile for it.

All I can say here is it's what TK wants. And as much as you (or I) don't like it you should curb your expectations. Not because it's fair or right or because it's the way the market works for this game. This is how it's been since vanilla first launch and if you expect differently you will most likely be disappointed. And that's a truth that cannot be disputed.

So finally, if Tengu gets in for the... couple of people that will actually use him, then that's great. If he's in his old classic form that's even better. But if you get a female Tengu (That actually plays like him and isn't a completely different playstyle like Ein/Hitomi) then you should be grateful, because in this day and age of DOA DLC, if it hadn't been an attractive female, he probably wouldn't have been in the game at all.

 

[David Gregg]

@Zeo out of curiosity how well do you think Ein would sell if he would have been the next DLC character? Probably not that great I'd imagine (at least a small fraction as compared to Marie Rose sales). If TN needs to hide behind the paid DLC excuse so be it. There were many ways to get Tengu in the game even if they just copied and pasted him in 5U like with Ein. I find it sad that so many people including you are trying to justify TN's actions when in reality what we have (again) is an excuse for them to add another pair of breasts with more fetish wear.

And I would think that out of everyone, Ein fans of all people (who pushed TN to get Ein into 5U even when there is no more story significance to the character as well) could at least understand where Tengu fans are coming from. :/

 

[Zeo]

@David Gregg He would sell better than Tengu, maybe he wouldn't sell great but people would remember him as that guy from DOA2, and all the vets would grab him. He wouldn't sell as well as a female but he would generate a relatively decent revenue I imagine.

I'm not justifying anything. All I've spoken is the truth. DOA5U is a brand new game so a new Tengu model woul have to be made just like every other character. He's not a copy paste job like Ein using Hayate's model. They could paste his moveset but... you want Tengu to be the worst character in the game again? You see what happened with Ein.

In order to be the Tengu you want and envision, It takes work and money. Money that is going to a risky and fairly unpopular character and money that would be made back much easier and safer by simply making a cute female that people are guaranteed to buy.

I guess people can't see past the desire for the character. If you could, you would understand what I'm saying and not thinking of me as the enemy.

 

[David Gregg]

I think you'd be surprised and a lot less people would buy a look-alike Hayate with moves very similar to Hitomi than you realize but I won't go down that path right now.
All I'm saying is you know what it's like not having your main in the game and you probably were one of the people tweeting to have him back. At least be more understanding of the people who are (and have been) in the same position you were once in are now currently feeling. :/

 

[Tenryuga]

Y'all are foolish; It's obviously the female tengu.

 

[Prince Adon]

I don't really see the profit in them adding Tengu. How many people would actually buy him? They could put more time into doing something else like making a new character, or anything at this point. Sorry Tengu fans. Just my two cents.

 

[Zeo]

It was a mistake getting into a discussion about this. I'm finished here. I support the above post.

Good luck getting your character all the same.

 

[Silent-Screams1]

I don't really see the profit in them adding Tengu. How many people would actually buy him? They could put more time into doing something else like making a new character, or anything at this point. Sorry Tengu fans. Just my two cents.

So tru lol his move list is so boring

 

[Codemaster92163]

Don't see the profit? Consider this - how many new players are there that picked up core fighters? What do you think will happen if Tn releases a giant bird demon that these new players see people using online, with his amazing throws and sheer awesomeness?

Considering how many people there are on the PSN, I'm sure they'd make more money selling him than they had selling MR or even Phase 4.

 

[Prince Adon]

Don't see the profit? Consider this - how many new players are there that picked up core fighters? What do you think will happen if Tn releases a giant bird demon that these new players see people using online, with his amazing throws and sheer awesomeness?

Considering how many people there are on the PSN, I'm sure they'd make more money selling him than they had selling MR or even Phase 4.

No.

 

[Codemaster92163]

Great counter argument. Kudos xD

 

[Kronin]

@David Gregg I'm a big fan of both Ein (my second main) and Tengu (even if I admit that I've never been able to use too much well him), DoA5 appeared to me half the fun without the amnesiac Karateka, and like you know I made hear my voice more times for the return of Tengu Bankotsubo on the official accounts of TN.

Btw sadly I agree with what @Zeo is saying, IMO without malice: I don't like admit it but Tengu is really a particular case for TN, his unpopularity can't be put on the same levels of Ein and Leon, with the fault being not in the aspect of the character - if we talk about the DoA attractiveness matter there is really few difference from him or another male compared to the cast of women - but of wrong development's choices.

Tengu is extremely popular overall on FSD (even if I think that the Japanese DOA fans love him a little more than the Western ones), so if really TN is bringing back Bankotsubo's moveset - sadly we can't still be certain of it - it's because they looked for a way to bring back the character for the fans that were asking for him, even if they know that such fans didn't wish exactly it and that definitely will not be totally satisfied.

But said this I agree with you when you say that an Ein DLC would be far to get a granted success between the community and that the choice of a woman is also thought because the kind of character that sell more in the series (like @Russian-chiropractic19 said, TN had endless ways to create a Tengu male character that wasn't Bankotsubo).

 

[Prince Adon]

Great counter argument. Kudos xD

What you said wasn't even an argument. It was just you saying stuff.

 

[Dacthunder]

Don't see the profit? Consider this - how many new players are there that picked up core fighters? What do you think will happen if Tn releases a giant bird demon that these new players see people using online, with his amazing throws and sheer awesomeness?

Considering how many people there are on the PSN, I'm sure they'd make more money selling him than they had selling MR or even Phase 4.

I totally agree with this especially for the casual fighters, he'd sell way more than Phase 4 and Marie Rose by far. On another note, I never bought MR nor do I plan to by a Kasumi clone, there's already Alpha 152 who I think is better or at least more interesting than Phase 4.

 

[Zeo]

What you said wasn't even an argument. It was just you saying stuff.

I believe the argument in a nutshell was that people would see him online, think he was cool (or looked cool) and want to buy him.

I totally agree with this especially for the casual fighters, he'd sell way more than Phase 4 and Marie Rose by far. On another note, I never bought MR nor do I plan to by a Kasumi clone, there's already Alpha 152 who I think is better or at least more interesting than Phase 4.

Definitely disagree on the Phase 4 comparison. Not only is she female, the teleports are epic and appeal to just about everyone that plays fighting games. That's why you have characters like Dante and Vergil in UMVC3 and everyone and their mother plays those 2.

 

[Prince Adon]

I believe the argument in a nutshell was that people would see him online, think he was cool (or looked cool) and want to buy him.

He doesn't look cool. He looks like a big ass rotten pillow with a dildo of a nose. I don't see how that would interest people more than phase 4, or Marie Rose. No, I don't see that happening.

 

[David Gregg]

I have absolutely nothing against Ein (in fact he is the most used male character for me after Eliot and Jann), and if it came across like I did then I apologize @Zeo and @Kronin that wasn't the point I was trying to make and he was just an example. I'm just tired of the "He wouldn't sell well. Get over it and be glad you have something" as if it's wrong for us to be upset that we didn't get Tengu.

 

[Prince Adon]

And it's not wrong for people to want something better than a Tengu.

 

[DontForkWitMe]

cmon zeo you know damn well you were in the same boat as tengu players are now back in vanilla when Ein was cut, as was I with Leon,.it just looks hypocritical to change your views against people who want tengu back now that your character returned. using popularity as an excuse is simply idiotic since more than half the characters on the roster are unpopular and rare to see; even other female characters like Mila, lisa, and tina are hardly played.

These same dumbass arguments were used against Leon's returned "just use Bayman or Mila dey are more popular and da saem newayz!" a female tengu with similar moveset doesn't fix shit other than pandering to the TnA obsessed nitwits who flock to whatever piece of ass they can fap to. so telling tengu players to deal with it and suck it up now after you were whining and complaining about Ein not being in vanilla for months just looks bad on your part.

 

[Zeo]

I have absolutely nothing against Ein (in fact he is the most used male character for me after Eliot and Jann), and if it came across like I did then I apologize @Zeo and @Kronin that wasn't the point I was trying to make and he was just an example. I'm just tired of the "He wouldn't sell well. Get over it and be glad you have something" as if it's wrong for us to be upset that we didn't get Tengu.

It's fine.

The point wasn't to get over it, merely to understand the point I was trying to make. This discussion has exhausted me though.