The Art Style and Graphics Discussion

[Tyaren]

well to be fair, that's not the unique part of doa, though it was TN tries so so hard to be the selling point, rather than the gameplay.

Unique selling point does not mean that it is the only selling point of a game/product, but that it is something no other game/product has. (DOA games certainly offer more than just beautiful girls, otherwise I wouldn't be playing them anymore.)
Imo no other (fighting) game has this beautiful and well modelled girls. Soul Calibur comes near, but not quite, and Tekken always trailed far behind. Harada has been trying to make the Tekken girls more and more attractive in recent games and he also has been trying to jump on the bikini and fetish DLC bandwagon. Not that successful so far though. That is why I wonder why they didn't just outdo DOA now that they had the time and means. DOA6 is at least one year away, if not two. They could've grabbed some of the DOA fans or let's say beautiful girl connoisseurs in the meantime.

 

[DontForkWitMe]

Fuck all dat Raven finer than any of the DOA girls

 

[KasumiLover]

Fuck all dat Raven finer than any of the DOA girls

Her dreads make me all hot

 

[Jadeinchains]

Wow the game actually does look a lot better than I gave it credit for. The characters that you posted Kasumi look really good! And yeah master raven is awesome, If I get the game she's definitely one of the characters I'm going to be playing as.

 

[KasumiLover]

Love Master Raven but I'm gonna have to say that this black part Hispanic guy is more interested in white girls like Lili, even my mom was surprised i use Lili over man!

 

[Tyaren]

Guys, if you didn't already buy Tekken 7, don't support such an insultingly sloppy "optimization" for consoles. (It's actually more of a brute force downgrade.) Here's a tech analysis of Tekken 7 across all platforms by Digital Foundry:

Below 900p resolution on PS4, 720p resolution on XBOne (that is on DOA5 PS3/360 level), poorly downgraded or completely missing effects and up to 40 seconds loading time on XBOne are a pathetic display.
If this is the new standard for fighters on console then good night SC6 and DOA6. :/

Wow the game actually does look a lot better than I gave it credit for.

What looks so great to you there? Or are you talking about Raven's character design?

 

[Jadeinchains]

Guys, if you didn't already buy Tekken 7, don't support such an insultingly sloppy "optimization" for consoles. (It's actually more of a brute force downgrade.) Here's a tech analysis of Tekken 7 across all platforms by Digital Foundry:

Below 900p resolution on PS4, 720p resolution on XBOne, poorly downgraded or completely missing effects and up to 40 seconds loading time on XBOne are a pathetic display.
If this is the new standard for fighters then good night SC6 and DOA6. :/



What looks so great to you there? Or are you talking about Raven's character design?

720p?! T7 ain't got nothing on basic youtube quality lol. It's strange too since even back when it was on arcade and we were unsure of a console version If they had it planned as far back as then then why such a bad job with the port? They had years to port this. In fact when I watched that Soul Calibur retrospective you posted it said they only had 7 months! And in that time they actually made it look better and included new modes so It really isn't excusable.

 

[Tyaren]

720p?! T7 ain't got nothing on basic youtube quality lol. It's strange too since even back when it was on arcade and we were unsure of a console version If they had it planned as far back as then then why such a bad job with the port? They had years to port this. In fact when I watched that Soul Calibur retrospective you posted it said they only had 7 months! And in that time they actually made it look better and included new modes so It really isn't excusable.

That piss poor (excuse my Français) image quality on consoles is inexcusable. Though already many are making excuses in other forums. The same old: PS4 just isn't powerful enough, just like with Street Fighter V. Weird, today most do agree that Street Fighter V actually doesn't look that insanely good or demanding that the PS4 shouldn't be able to handle it properly. Both Street Fighter V and Tekken 7 were foremost made to look and run good on PCs and the console versions were mere afterthoughts, that's the problem.

 

[Jadeinchains]

Well I just hope doa6 and sc6 are safe then. However ( omg I just heard thunder outside. :< ) any however considering TN probably doesn't like pc after the nude mods etc so maybe that will save it and they'll dedicate their efforts towards consoles? And with Soul Calibur 6 well there's hope and that's it.

Isn't there a bigger user base on console though? Either way sfv and t7 both payed for it with looking bad.

 

[Tyaren]

Let's hope DOA6 and SC6 both won't get an arcade release prior to console release (because arcade systems run on PC architecture) and that if they use Unreal Engine 4, they tweak it a bit to suit consoles. Consoles just are not doing great with UE4 games in 60fps.

On a more positive note:
I know what KasumiLover's character customizations look like:

Who cares about shitty resolutions then, right? XD

 

[KasumiLover]

Let's hope DOA6 and SC6 both won't get an arcade release prior to console release (because arcade systems run on PC architecture) and that if they use Unreal Engine 4, they tweak it a bit to suit consoles. Consoles just are not doing great with UE4 games in 60fps.

On a more positive note:
I know what KasumiLover's character customizations look like:

Who cares about shitty resolutions then, right? XD

Ew, no way I don't like Miguel or shaheen...im not a fan of body hair and his body type isn't really my taste, Brad likes him tho

This is currently my favorite custom for lili atm

Followed by this

As for Claudio, I don't really customize him like that, I would dress him in his exclusive sirious restraint outfit with the exposed pec and platform boots but I haven't unlocked it so I just settled with him shirtless and his alternate hair

And geez....devil jins jean and shirt outfit is even tighter than I remember, it took me a while to calm down when I zoomed in

These are from yesterday too

Also I did a thing!

 

[Tyaren]

Ew, no way I don't like Miguel or shaheen...im not a fan of body hair and his body type isn't really my taste, Brad likes him tho.

I was just poking a little fun.

And geez....devil jins jean and shirt outfit is even tighter than I remember, it took me a while to calm down when I zoomed in

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That's not tight though, that's bulky. As if there's like 1cm of air between the body and cloth.
This is tight, like there's a vacuum, lol:

Someone hold her plastic wig! O: It's about to take of.

 

[KasumiLover]

I was just poking a little fun.



That's not tight though, that's bulky. As if there's like 1cm of air between the body and cloth.
This is tight, like there's a vacuum, lol:

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Someone hold her plastic wig! O: It's about to take of.

It's a shame they didn't just use the physics from TTT2 for her hair but I actually got used to the physics, as long as you look at her hair from the back, while she's spinning in her intro or just spinning in general it looks ok but it's still as if she used glue conditioner, but her hair has three layers so maybe they did that so they wouldn't clip into each other?

She also has her princess curl hair but I hate long curled hair so I haven't even used it yet. I hope they add more of her older styles as time goes on since she had a side braid, pinned up hair, and short hair and gothic pigtails too which I liked alot

 

[Tyaren]

It's a shame they didn't just use the physics from TTT2 for her hair...

I noticed you mentioning that on several occasions. So her hair physics were actually downgraded from TTT2/TRevolution to Tekken 7? Is there any way to exemplify that? A comparison?

 

[Jadeinchains]

Someone hold her plastic wig! O: It's about to take of.

Omg lol, Lili in tekken 7 like -

Spoiler

And lol yeah Jin's top looks a bit vacuum sealed but tbh even with Batman I couldn't imagine that suit being in anyway comfortable around your neck and armpit area... Or anywhere else I guess considering it's so tight it's actually going into his belly bottom.




I do love his suit though for those reasons.

 

[KasumiLover]

I noticed you mentioning that on several occasions. So her hair physics were actually downgraded from TTT2/TRevolution to Tekken 7? Is there any way to exemplify that? A comparison?

Yeah here's some gifs!

In TTT2 her hair was alot more flowy and moved alot more freely which is her best hair depiction in the series. Her bangs and sidelocks were also blunter in this iteration but thinner

This is from the tekken 7 beta when I was 16, her hair was basically still what it was in tekken revolution so it flowed but because the game didn't have much shaders, it looked like thick string cheese at round one 1 fight. It still flowed but it clips into her model after certain attacks and animations but overall was much better albeit thinner than her final hair

Her final hair, it's thicker but stiffer and moves like it's glued. It somewhat looks ok during spins and looks fine from the back but bends strangely and doesn't appear to have a natural drape outside her default fight stance

 

[Tyaren]

I see what you mean. Hair now moves as if Lili was underwater, slow, floaty and unresponsive. Whereas the hair physics had proper speed, momentum and weight before.

 

[KasumiLover]

Here's some gameplay of you wanted to see it in motion Tyaren, this is me and my sister playing:

First match

And then our last one where she used Leo, I can handle my sister in general but she knows I struggle against Leo so she usually opts to use her

 

[Tyaren]

That lava stage is the visually most impressive stage of the game, right? It certainly looks cool and the lava splashes in the background do look pretty realistic.

I'll never be a fan of Tekken's fighting mechanics though... Just watching a match, the movements feel so choppy and stiff and as if the characters are fighting underwater. :/

On a completely different note:
E3 is approaching fast and one game that I am hugely excited to see make a return to Sony's press conference is God of War. They've already started painting a huge building wall in LA:

Now, I never was a fan of the older games of that series (too brutal, Kratos is a dick and the ancient Greece theme is so worn out), but for this game, sort of a reboot of the series, I am really excited. I loved everything about its presentation on last E3. It was imo the graphically most impressive showing of the whole E3. If you don't fully remember, here it is again:

Here you can watch the video in extra high quality: http://www.gamersyde.com/hqstream_god_of_war_e3_gameplay_demo-37487_en.html

Wow...just wow! O: Look at all that detail and the beautiful visual design. The snowy woods, the ruins, the stag, the troll and that gorgeous view into the valley at the end... They've really managed to bring Norse mythology to life, looking its best ever. This was confirmed to be live gameplay by the way, on the standard PS4.

Does this excite anyone else? XD

 

[Jadeinchains]

Oh yeah I feel like I remember talking about God Of War after last years E3 as well ( I'm excited for this years so I'll be watching it live and talking about it as it happens! )

I hated the old games to be honest for the same reasons of Kratos being insanely unlikeable in so many ways and a horrible character and the games in general being too brutal. ( which is shocking cause I'm a massive fan of MK but I feel like the violence is different in mk than gow, lol I don't know that's just me )

This new one though I have to say has kind of caught my eye but I need to see more before going further. I think we will this year though.