The DOA5U "Casual" thread. ^__^

[Akumasama]

Mesitzo I dunno about the others, but for me it's absolutely not a matter of morality.
I don't care about that crap.

It's more a matter of going beyond a certain threshold. One thing is offering some cool seminaked outfits (bikinis and the likes) and wink at sexualization and all that stuff.
Another thing is doing it THIS MUCH, especially when it gets done in place (and not in addition) to other things (classic costumes New *COOL* costumes!) that I personally judge more interesting than seminaked digital women and men.
I mean, if I need to fap I just watch a porn, I don't play a fighting game. I don't know about you.

Personally I'm not really a big fan of exagerated (as in: omnipresent and fanservice-esque) light-erotism.
Kinda like too much present Ecchi in mangas.
I don't like half measures. If I'm playing a videogame it's because I want to play and I want characters to look cool and tough and mighty or whatever else. Not Sexy.
If I want to get aroused I don't play a videogame, I watch a porn


This doesn't mean, as I was saying at the beginning of this post, that I dislike some light erotism here and there, it's fine. But when it's too much and steals resources from other things then it's just annoying, and frustrating.
This is my personal view on the issue, nothing about morals.

 

[Tenryuga]

Lol dude I use Kasumi as my training dummy in her cheerleader outfit. I own almost all of her fanservice outfits and love most of them. Despite all that when I am introducing DOA to somebody or teaching them the game it is counterproductive to showcase her in those outfits because it gives off the wrong impression of the game. This is a fighting game with good gameplay mechanics and alot of potential but people don't see it that way because you have TN including OMG breast mode and the girls breasts slapping them in the face for every little movement. Now don't get me wrong I like some jiggle; That's why I have my shit set to DOA mode where the physics are acceptable to me for women with those busts. I'm not a fan of that unnatural alien type shit that goes on in OMG mode.

I think fanservice is great man. Just not to the point where it has the potential to detract from the worth of something or turn people away from something. DOA has already crossed that line years ago. Now with the release of 5U it is slowly gaining some respect. As fans of the series we should want our game to get the respect it deserves and portray it in the proper light. DOA is and always has been a fighting game with attractive women and silly breast physics. Instead of having people focus on the attractive women and silly breast physics solely they need to see DOA as a whole.

OMG breast mode and fanservice outfits during tutorial videos doesn't help that because it is like we are doing the same thing TN does which is shove this stuff in peoples faces 24/7. We will see the next pack of bikinis release before I see my ninja gaiden sigma 2 outfit for kasumi or her doa4 casual outfit with scarf. Same goes for any of Ein's legit outfits. Do I need to link a video to the first Dead or alive 5 plus trailer? Yes I do.

How am I supposed to know DOA is a fighting game if I never heard about it before but saw that? If I am interested in looking at fighters why would I bother looking deeper into what DOA is if that is the initial trailer and not gameplay? This is the kind of thing that needs to stop. Nobody is trying to remove fanservice from DOA. Nobody is trying to say TN should make the women less appealing. I would be pretty dissapointed if they did those things. But it's about time people gave DOA respect for being a fighter and we can help it by putting in the work to portray the gameplay aspects of this game without shoving fanservice at the viewers all the time.

 

[Awesmic]

Lol dude I use Kasumi as my training dummy in her cheerleader outfit. I own almost all of her fanservice outfits and love most of them.

I find that extremely hard to believe.

Despite all that when I am introducing DOA to somebody or teaching them the game it is counterproductive to showcase her in those outfits because it gives off the wrong impression of the game.

It did the exact opposite for me. It drew me into wanting to learn the game.

This is a fighting game with good gameplay mechanics and alot of potential but people don't see it that way because you have TN including OMG breast mode and the girls breasts slapping them in the face for every little movement.

You exaggerate. They NEVER slap the character in the face even in OMG mode. If that were true, then that means it would register as a minor hitstun, and that would make the game all the more frustrating. Imagine, doing self-damage just jiggling your boobs too much... TN would never allow such a thing.

Now don't get me wrong I like some jiggle; That's why I have my shit set to DOA mode where the physics are acceptable to me for women with those busts. I'm not a fan of that unnatural alien type shit that goes on in OMG mode.

Compared to squirting acid out of your breasts, this is nothing.

I think fanservice is great man. Just not to the point where it has the potential to detract from the worth of something or turn people away from something. DOA has already crossed that line years ago. Now with the release of 5U it is slowly gaining some respect. As fans of the series we should want our game to get the respect it deserves and portray it in the proper light. DOA is and always has been a fighting game with attractive women and silly breast physics. Instead of having people focus on the attractive women and silly breast physics solely they need to see DOA as a whole.

You make it seem as though it's impossible to do both. It's not. I wouldn't be here if it wasn't.

OMG breast mode and fanservice outfits during tutorial videos doesn't help that because it is like we are doing the same thing TN does which is shove this stuff in peoples faces 24/7. We will see the next pack of bikinis release before I see my ninja gaiden sigma 2 outfit for kasumi or her doa4 casual outfit with scarf. Same goes for any of Ein's legit outfits. Do I need to link a video to the first Dead or alive 5 plus trailer? Yes I do.

How am I supposed to know DOA is a fighting game if I never heard about it before but saw that? If I am interested in looking at fighters why would I bother looking deeper into what DOA is if that is the initial trailer and not gameplay?

Prior to the time of this game's release, there were plenty of trailers for DOA5 that showed actual gameplay. If that were me in that scenario and I only had a Vita, I'd assume the game would have that extra "something more" that I thought was missing in DOA5 to begin with along with the gameplay I already anticipate is gonna be there.

Nobody is trying to remove fanservice from DOA. Nobody is trying to say TN should make the women less appealing. I would be pretty dissapointed if they did those things.

Hard to believe, but I'll take your word for it. I dunno about everyone else though.

But it's about time people gave DOA respect for being a fighter and we can help it by putting in the work to portray the gameplay aspects of this game without shoving fanservice at the viewers all the time.

How can it be "shoving" if some people actually want to see it?

 

[UpSideDownGRUNT]

.... that trailer made it look more like a H game than a fighter ¬_¬

if it wasn't for the fact it said Tecmo and Team NINJA I'd of thought Illusion bought out DOA

 

[Russian-chiropractic19]

It's a good trailer to attract perverts not fighters, Clay you are very good at both most however are not.

 

[13ways]

Ya do.realize in no way are you forced to have to watch the boobs on OMG mode right? Last I checked it was 1/4 of the boob options and you havs to unlock 10 lose poses

 

[Russian-chiropractic19]

You're missing the point we are already into the game so obviously either we don't care or we like it. However if I want to show someone some videos of it they wouldn't be able to take it serious and pass it off as a rumble roses type game.

 

[Akumasama]

This thread is making me realize that I never bothered to carefully check the difference between the two top settings for breast movement.
The new one in Ultimate is "OMG" and the previous one is... "high" or whatever it is.
Is there a compare video on youtube or something? I'm curious lol.

Breastmovement in DoAx2 was... strange. Sometimes it was realistic some other times it was... creepy.

 

[d3v]

It's not even about morality. It's about selling DOA5U and the DOA community as something that can grow big as a competitive game/community.

 

[Yaguar]

It's not even about morality. It's about selling DOA5U and the DOA community as something that can grow big as a competitive game/community.

And not something that can grow as big as silicon implants.

 

[Deleted member 473]

I was about to go beast mode on some of yall but I can't.. Yall is really making titties such a problem.This is comedy at its finest.

 

[Devilreaper]

You're missing the point we are already into the game so obviously either we don't care or we like it. However if I want to show someone some videos of it they wouldn't be able to take it serious and pass it off as a rumble roses type game.

I like doa, i like rumble roses.... for the game play of course.

 

[Awesmic]

I was about to go beast mode on some of yall but I can't.

If you won't do it, I will.

Parry, parry, parry, parry, parry, parry, parry, parry, parry, parry, parry, parry, parry, parry, jump, parry, whatever else Daigo did at Evo 2004, done.

@UpSideDownGRUNT : Are you serious? Illusion? How can you possibly confuse, let along mix up Illusion's designs for Sexy Beach up with Team Ninja's as it currently is? Illusion's characters still look anime-style, perhaps even moreso than DOA used to be. Plus Illusion's ads usually have censors. They're not afraid to be blunt about adult content being in their games. The DOAX ads have always been tame and gravure-level by comparison.

 

[Rawbietussin]

Exactly. Hell, I think even that pumpkin outfit woulda looked a lot better with pants or shorts instead of a skirt.

The skirt actually looks like bloomers so I doubt anything can be seen underneath. A green zombie skin version of her diner costume with a bloody apron could have been fine. Heck, it could have been better if she was wearing a "promotional" parody outfit from SUBWAY where her cap and apron has the tag line - ZOMBIES (R) eat flesh.

Yeh wish she switched costumes with tina, red riding hood for helena and succubus for tina :/

I somewhat like Red Riding Tina but the color scheme used looks too similar to her schoolgirl outfit. I doubt that Red Riding Hood costume fits Helena either. It's too cutesy. It fits Hitomi better considering she has worn lolita dresses in DOA4. Plus, Helena has too many red costumes.

 

[Tyaren]

You exaggerate. They NEVER slap the character in the face even in OMG mode.

But they sway in the wind (Momiji in her bent over victory pose and in bikini). XD

 

[UpSideDownGRUNT]

IfAre you serious? Illusion? How can you possibly confuse, let along mix up Illusion's designs for Sexy Beach up with Team Ninja's as it currently is? Illusion's characters still look anime-style, perhaps even moreso than DOA used to be. Plus Illusion's ads usually have censors. They're not afraid to be blunt about adult content being in their games. The DOAX ads have always been tame and gravure-level by comparison.

Lol, no I wasn't serious it was a joke, I was just pointing out that from a 3rd part who has somehow never even played DOA before could mistake it for being some kind of sex game or erotic of nature.

 

[Number 13]

You have to accept DoA for what it is. Itagaki envisioned back during the 3d Fighter glory days of a fighter with high action (The amount of ridiculousness taking place in the stages) and high sex appeal (Bikinis and eye popping breast physics). DoA was that result as it progressively enhanced both points when the years gone by. I'm not even talking about the Volleyball spin-off games this time either despite being a main culprit.

This cultivated a player/fan base of this series for various reasons from "I really like the RPS aspect of this fighter and the stage designs are awesome!" to "I really like Kasumi very much in that dress and looks better with glasses on :3". Even with Itagaki gone, the ideology will remain like a wine stain on your white carpet. It seemed originally DoA 5 tried to separate from the sex appeal aspect such as with the demonstration of the Pre-Alpha gameplay trailer below.

Had a Hayabusa vs Hayate gameplay match as their choice to debut a DoA game? The increased "Action" present in the video (The destruction and mayhem) also seemed to dwarf whatever "Sex Appeal" stigma the series had previously like as if they tried to carefully walk away from a bad group of deliquents. Game gave a completely different first impression like if Michael Bay was directing a martial arts film instead of soft-core whack off material with a high budget that could potentially win a Woody Award.

The females even appeared to initially dress more modesty initially and had an overall breast size decrease as well as less skin being shown. However through this sudden stance change, TN received voices of complaints/outcries that the females were not "Sexy" enough because TN alienated their long time cultivated fan-base from the old DoA ideology of "Action+Sex Appeal". This resulted in TN to abandon that idea since they didn't want to alienate their fans who were into the "Sex Appeal" aspect of DoA and decided to go with both like before.

They did so in a way that magnified (Despite other fighters are equally dedicated to sex appeal, those other fighters are much more subtle about it.)the fact that one of DoA 5 main points was "Sex Appeal" again combined with "high action" like showcasing the Hot Zone stage where firefights and Helicopters going down in the background. In an essence they called this "Fighting Entertainment" not a traditional 3D "Fighting Game" like Tekken of Virtua Fighter.

TN sure as hell don't plan to abandon this ideology post-release with various "Sex Appeal" DLC costumes being released (They are being bought too according to TN despite vocal people claiming they are shameless.) and especially DoA5U that introduced more potential of viewing the female models poses in Theatre Mode in any outfit, hairstyle, glasses yes/no, sweaty options, dirty options, and at any stage.

*cues I'll Face Myself -Another Version theme*

In short don't try to hide the "Sex Appeal" aspect of DoA like a horny teenager hiding their dirty magazine stash (People still use magazines anymore for that?). It would result into awkward explanations when they do find out about the magazine stash if you catch my drift. Its a big aesthetic part of the series that won't get hidden no matter how hard you try. I'm not saying to embrace it or anything, but accept it for what it is and don't try to hide it. It will make it that much easier to improve the popularity of this fighting game series when your not stuck contradicting yourself as you try to pitch the game to other new prospects from tutorial videos to tourney game footage.

 

[Devilreaper]

Nice, can we change the conversation now?

 

[Number 13]

Sure. Any ideas?

Edit: Guess I'll suggest.

Whatever happened to the custom colored health bars? Was that all hearsay and your stuck with the yellow or was that supposed to be a thing in DoA5U

 

[Tenryuga]

Retorts

I actually got into this series with DOA5 because TN seemed to be making more of an effort to promote solid gameplay mechanics. I also liked the emphasis on the environment and found the detail of the character models especially Kasumi appealing. If you were on PSN you would be able to see me use the fanservice outfits for my favorite females and TN already has 4 bucks from me for Kasumi's Ninja Princess and Ragnarok Ace outfit in the upcoming DLC (I'm particularly excited about this one and it will be one of my main outfits).

As for saying showing of fan service outfits was counterproductive I should have said "COULD be counterproductive" as that would have been more accurate because some people aren't really into that. LMAO @ the part about boobs and hitstun; that's hilarious. I know it's not impossible to have fanservice and legit gameplay. That's why we have a competitive scene. The thing is though Awesmic is that few people are as open to things as you and I. They will see the fanservice and out of ignorance write the game off which is what myself and many others don't want to happen.

Take DOA5+ as an example. If someone never knew DOA5 or DOA in general existed and just happened to see that as the first trailer different people would react different ways. Unfortunately the most common seems to be a "Wtf did i just see?" kind of response and potential interest is killed right there unless you are into gorgeous video game babes in bikinis.

As for shoving the fanservice aspect you have that 5+ trailer and the amount of bikini DLC released. I'm sure many players who use male characters would like to see badass outfits from the past return or new ones and I myself would like to see some outfits for Kasumi and Hitomi return that I never got a chance to use like these:

As well as some cool stuff for Ein. So I call it "shoving" because myself and players that use males would like to see more outfits of this sort yet we got more bikini DLC and fetish outfits. Not that that's a bad thing but there isn't really much to balance that out for players who are more interested in stuff like the above. It's either buy these outfits or stay using some of the lame defaults of DOA5. I'm not going to pretend I don't like the bikinis but that gets boring after awhile. Don't you want Christie in a trenchcoat? That sounds pretty badass and I would love to see that over the 4th (is this number accurate?) sling bikini for her regardless of how good the bikini is. I think her halloween DLC outfit is a nice change too.

This is to the people who think some of us are anti-sex appeal. Nobody is trying to hide the sex appeal of DOA. The first thing I did when I bought 5U was set my breast physics to DOA because natural wasn't good enough for me and OMG is just unattractive IMO. It is impossible to hide the fanservice in DOA and it is something that has been in the game since DOA1. That is one of the many selling points of DOA that should stay IMO because that along with the movie like fights and emphasis on environment are what make DOA DOA.

The thing is though is that to most people in the FGC only half of that is apparent. When people make tutorial videos and things of that sort then have the character in a bikini thong with OMG boob physics it's a fact that some viewers won't take the video seriously and it defeats the purpose of the video which was to showcase the gameplay aspects of DOA as people should already know the amount of fanservice DOA has due to the stigma. If they don't and happen to find out later no harm done because at least then they see that the game is legit enough to warrant educational videos and were exposed to the game in its ENTIRETY. This reduces the amount of people spreading lies and ignorant statements like "DOA is nothing but tits and ass and is a shallow piece of shit fighter."

We already have those Ryona videos on youtube for people that are more into the fanservice aspects of DOA. So now when people are trying to balance that out with gameplay and educational content for the players that lean more toward that end is it too much to ask to have the character dressed for the occasion? It's not like using DOA physics is detrimental either. That bounce is really nice and nothing like the alien status effects of OMG mode.

So yeah with this I hope some of you understand a bit better where we are coming from.