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Darkslay

Darkslay

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UncleKitchener said:
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Misc.​
:8::K:(:4_:/:6::K:):K:(:4_:/:6::K:):K:(:4_:):K: (-13)(-13)(-13)(GB) (:high::high::high::mid::mid:) (T)(T)(T)(T)(T)


:akira::214::P: (Does not beat FAKE :P:), :4::3::P:, :4::6::P::+::K: (requires very short charge for 20i or 21i)
:ayane: :6::P::+::K: (goes under FAKE :P:), :4::h::+::K: (Does not beat FAKE :K:), :8::K::K::K: (You can actually combo with this, no joke)
:bass: :3::P::+::K::h::+::P: is guaranteed no matter what the opponent does. Don't bother doing anything else.
:bayman: :7::P:, :4::6::P:, :4::K:, :236::K:, :4::P::+::K: (goes under FAKE :P:), :3::P::+::K:/:2:/:8::P::+::K:
:bradwong::6::6::P:, :6::K:, :236::P: (Does not beat FAKE :K:), :6::P::+::K:, :h::+::K: (not very useful)
:christie: :P::P::P::P::P:, :6::P::+::K:,:214::P:, :4::6::P:, :8::P::P:, :9::K::K:
:ein::6::P::+::K:, :3::P::+::K:(:P:), :4::6::K:
:eliot::4::6::P:, :3::P::+::K: Note: The last kick of Alpha's string can whiff on him sometimes.
:genfu::3::P::+::K:, :1::P::+::K: (Does not beat FAKE :K:)
:hayate::236::K:, :8::K:, :6::6::P::+::K:
:helena::7::P::K::K: into :3::3::P::P:, :6::K:(guaranteed):P: into :3::3::P::4::P:
:hitomi::6::P::+::K:, :4::P::P::P: (goes under FAKE :P:), :3::3::P: into :P::+::K::P::P:
:honoka::6::P::+::K:, :6::6::P::+::K:, :3::P::+::K:, :h::+::K:, :8::h::+::K:, :8::h::+::K:, :4::h::+::K:, :3::h::+::K:, :4::6::P:
:jacky::6::6::h::+::K:, :2::P::+::K:, :h::+::K:, :9::K:, :1::h::+::K:, :4::h::+::K: (guaranteed bound into whatever combo. This is his best option)
:jannlee::P::P::P::6::P:, :4::P::P::P:, :7::P:, :9::K::K:, :8::K:, :4::6::K:, :6::P::+::K:, :4::h::+::K:
:kasumi::P::P::7::K: into combos, :3::3::P:, :236::P:, :9::K::K:, :6::P::+::K:, :6::h::+::K:, :4::h::+::K:, :3::h::+::K:
:kokoro::7::P::K::P:, :236::P:, :9::K::K:, :P::+::K:, :6::6::P::+::K:, :4::P::+::K:, :3::3::P::+::K:, :2::P::+::K:
:La Mariposa::6::6::P:/:K:, :1::P::K::K:, :3::3::P:, :4::K::K:, :236::K:(:4:), :h::+::K:, :236::P:
:leifang::236::P:, :214::P::2::K:, :6::6::K::K:, :9::K::K:
:leon::4::6::P:, :4::4::P:, :236::P:, :214::P:, :6::6::K:, :P::+::K:, :6::P::+::K:, :2::P::+::K:
:marierose::P::P::P: into combo, :6::6::P:, :6::4::P:, :214::P:, :6::6::K:, :P::+::K:, :h::+::K:, :3::h::+::K:,
:mila::P::6::P::P:, :8::P::P: (weak punish for FAKE :h:), :3::3::P:, :7::K:, :6::P::+::K:, :6::h::+::K:, :3::h::+::K:
:momiji::P::P::K::K:, :3::3::P: (Does not beat FAKE :K: and goes under FAKE :P:), :236::P:, :9::K:, :6::6::K:, :P::+::K:
:nyotengu::6::6::P:, :4::P:, :1::P::P::P::+::K::P::+::K: (guaranteed), :9::K:, :6::6::K:, :4::K: (open stance only), :6::P::+::K:, :h::+::K:
:pai::P::P::K::K:, :6::6::P:, (:3::3::P:):K: (Does not beat FAKE :P:), :1::P:, :P::+::K: (goes under FAKE :P:), :4::6::P::+::K: (goes under FAKE :P:), :2::P::+::K::K::P:, :h::+::K:, :6::6::h::+::K:, :4::h::+::K:, :4::6::h::+::K: (open stance only), :1::h::+::K: (good evasive option)
:phase4::P::P:... , :8::P:, :4::P: (open stance only), :3::3::P:, :1::P::P:, :9::K:, :6::6::K:, :6::P::+::K:, :6::h::+::K:
:rachel::6::6::P:, :236::P: (goes under FAKE :P:), :214::P: (goes under FAKE :P:), :8::K: (does not beat FAKE :P:), :6::6::K: (most consistent option)
:cyborg::214::P:, :9::K:, :4::K:, :6::P::+::K: (goes under FAKE :P:), :4::h::+::K: (does not beat FAKE :P:)
:rig::P::P::4::K::K::K:, :K::K:, :9::K:, :P::+::K::K:
:hayabusa::3::3::P: (goes under FAKE :P:), :9::K:, :6::6::K:, :P::+::K: (goes under F:+:AKE :P:), :6::P::K:, :3::P::+::K: (goes under FAKE :P:), :236::P::+::K: (goes under FAKE :P:), :3::h::+::K:
:sarah::P::P::P:, :9::P:, :9::K:, :236::P::+::K: (goes under FAKE :P:), :h::+::K:, :8::h::+::K: (can't beat FAKE :P:), :6::h::+::K:, :6::6::h::+::K: (most consistent option), :4::h::+::K:
:tina::P::P::P: into air grab, :4::6::P:, :4::4::P: into BT :7::K: into BT :4::P::P:(normal hit only) (goes under FAKE :P:), :3::3::P: into air grab (goes under FAKE :P:), :236::P: (goes under FAKE :P:), :9::K:, :6::6::K:, :236::K:, :6::P::+::K: (goes under FAKE :P:), :6::h::+::K: (goes under FAKE :P:)
:zack::P::P:... , :9::P::P: (goes under FAKE :P:), :236::K: (goes under FAKE :P:), :6::P::+::K:, :h::+::K:, :4::h::+::K:


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Any chance you guys could confirm or find new ways of punishing this?
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I wasn't notified of this for some reason, anyways, here's what i can help with.
:jannlee:: :9::P: into combos, :4::K::K::P:, :8::P::P::P:, :6::H+K: into combos.
:jacky:: :7::K:, :6_::K::H*: into combos, (won't beat F.A.K.E :h:)
:ein:: :9::P: BT :2::K::6::P::K:, :3::P: into combos, :6::6::K::K::K:, :9::K: into combos, WR:K: into combos.
:rig:: :K::K::P: into combos, :8::K: into combos, :K::2::K::K: into combos, :K::4::K::K: into combos.
:bayman:: :6::P::P::K:, :P::K::K:, :3::K::3::P+K::H+P:, :214::P: BT:P::P::P:, WR:K: into combos.
:akira:: :6_::P: into combos, :4::6::6::P+K:, :6::6::K: into combos, :6::K::P: into combos, :H*::K: into combos.
:hayabusa:: :K::K:, :P::P::4::P: :426::T:, :8::P: into combos, :3_::4::K: into combos.
:cyborg:: :236::P:, :7::K:, :3::3::K::P:, :6::2::3::P: into combos.
:leon:: :6::P+K:, :6::P::P::P:, :6::6::P::P: into combos, , :3_::P: into combos, WR:K: into combos.
 
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UncleKitchener

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Darkslay said:
I wasn't notified of this for some reason, anyways, here's what i can help with.
:jannlee:: :9::P: into combos, :4::K::K::P:, :8::P::P::P:, :6::H+K: into combos.
:jacky:: :7::K:, :6_::K::H*: into combos, (won't beat F.A.K.E :h:)
:ein:: :9::P: BT :2::K::6::P::K:, :3::P: into combos, :6::6::K::K::K:, :9::K: into combos, WR:K: into combos.
:rig:: :K::K::P: into combos, :8::K: into combos, :K::2::K::K: into combos, :K::4::K::K: into combos.
:bayman:: :6::P::P::K:, :P::K::K:, :3::K::3::P+K::H+P:, :214::P: BT:P::P::P:, WR:K: into combos.
:akira:: :6_::P: into combos, :4::6::6::P+K:, :6::6::K: into combos, :6::K::P: into combos, :H*::K: into combos.
:hayabusa:: :K::K:, :P::P::4::P: :426::H+P:, :8::P: into combos, :3_::4::K: into combos.
:cyborg:: :236::P:, :7::K:, :3::3::K::P:, :6::2::3::P: into combos.
:leon:: :6::P+K:, :6::P::P::P:, :6::6::P::P: into combos, , :3_::P: into combos, WR:K: into combos.
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Sorry, but I should probably explain this situation in more detail. The aim of that particular list was to find moves which can punish all her fake transition including her guard cancel. For this reason, I either chose 9i and 10i jabs which reached far enough to hit her during the string recovery which would be guaranteed or moves around 20i which would be guaranteed to hit her during all other fake stance transitions (:h:, :P: & :K:). For this reason, moves not between 19i and 23i would whiff or not work on Fake :h:, unless they have sufficient amount of active frames like :lisa: :236::P:. I'm looking for moves which would be 100% guaranteed in all three situations.

Again, I apologise I didn't explain it in the appropriate post, so I'll have to update that.
 
Darkslay

Darkslay

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UncleKitchener said:
Sorry, but I should probably explain this situation in more detail. The aim of that particular list was to find moves which can punish all her fake transition including her guard cancel. For this reason, I either chose 9i and 10i jabs which reached far enough to hit her during the string recovery which would be guaranteed or moves around 20i which would be guaranteed to hit her during all other fake stance transitions (:h:, :P: & :K:). For this reason, moves not between 19i and 23i would whiff or not work on Fake :h:, unless they have sufficient amount of active frames like :lisa: :236::P:. I'm looking for moves which would be 100% guaranteed in all three situations.

Again, I apologise I didn't explain it in the appropriate post, so I'll have to update that.
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Ahhh, i see, don't worry about it, there's still a few moves i listed that cover all three options though, do those work for you?
 
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UncleKitchener

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Darkslay said:
Ahhh, i see, don't worry about it, there's still a few moves i listed that cover all three options though, do those work for you?
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Sure, here's what I found:

:jannlee:: :9::P:, :4::K::K::P:, :8::P::P::P: and :6::H+K: can't be considered viable as they need to cover all three Fake options.
:jacky:: :7::K:, :6_::K::H*: again, too fast. The best option for Jacky is still :4::h::+::K: thanks to the consistent bound. Nothing else really compares.
:ein:: :9::P: BT :2::K::6::P::K:, :3::P:, :6::6::K::K::K:, :9::K: don't cover all options and can actually leave him in pretty bad situations in case of FAKE :h:. WR:K: works but the launch height depends on how and when you buffer your crouch dash. This one's a good find.
:rig:: :K::K::P:, :8::K:, :K::2::K::K:, :K::4::K::K: also aren't consistent. :K::K: does work because the second hit is always guaranteed to connect. If you want to put the opponent in a psudo mixup, you can just do :K: and leave yourself with +13 after Fake :h: or get a :4::K::K: on other :K: options.
:bayman:: :3::K::3::P+K::H+P:, :214::P: BT:P::P::P: and WR:K: won't work due to priority. :P::K::K: works but only in open stance. Not sure how you can determine that after the GB, so it'll have to go too. :6::P::P::K: works with the second punch connecting but nothing afterwards can be guaranteed.
:akira:: :6_::P:, :4::6::6::P+K:, :6::6::K:, :6::K::P: , :H*::K: won't work due to priority. Akira is a bit limited when trying to punish her.
:hayabusa:: :K::K: and:8::P: won't work due to priority. :426::H+P: and throw setups are not recommended, unles you meant the air throw which also doesn't work in this situation. :3_::4::K: is actually useful but requires a delayed crouch buffer before using the kick. :P::P::4::P: is also very good for immediate punish and high damage.
:cyborg:: :236::P:, :7::K: and :6::2::3::P: won't work due to priority. :3::3::K::P: is holdable in case of FAKE :h:.
:leon:: :6::P::P::P:, :6::6::P::P:,:3_::P: and WR:K: won't work due to priority. :6::P+K: I had listed however it goes under FAKE :P: and :4::6::P: easily covers this move in terms of both priority and damage (they do the same damage). This is makes :4::6::P: his best option.

These options are good for knowing what works against FAKE P and K but we need to know options that cover all situations with the least amount of risk and good damage.
 
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UncleKitchener

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Apparently I completely forgot to do Rig's list, but I'll get to it soon. For now his section will be left blank until I'm done with everyone else.
 
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