Tips on the Hold system?

[virtuaPAI]

Since we're talking about Counter-Holds, it should also be assumed we're talking about the Counter-Hold's recovery. There are inactive recovery frames after the active frames of a counter, where holds will not catch attacks and nothing else can be done until the recovery frames finish.

-The only time you will be stuck in the recovery is when you either whiff a hold, and that is a 12 frame duration(after the initial 18 have passed), or after a successful hold, and the recovery is dependant on when and what you held. Since in this scenario you are not successful, you are not stuck in the recovery. Also, for you to be stuck in the recovery of a whiffed hold, 18 frames will need to pass before it gets to that point. In such a frame tight situation, that would not be the case either.

 

[Stikku]

-The only time you will be stuck in the recovery is when you either whiff a hold, and that is a 12 frame duration(after the initial 18 have passed), or after a successful hold, and the recovery is dependant on when and what you held. Since in this scenario you are not successful, you are not stuck in the recovery. Also, for you to be stuck in the recovery of a whiffed hold, 18 frames will need to pass before it gets to that point. In such a frame tight situation, that would not be the case either.

Seems like you're right. Testing in DOA leads to that anyway. I guess Team Ninja is just bad at notifying the public that there is 1 inactive frame at the start of a counter, considering it's never been noted in frame-data-sheets.

 

[Solid_Altair]

If you know you held the right direction and your character made a grunt, that's many frames after you actually input the command, likely meaning you got struck in recovery. Just because your hands are out doesn't mean it catches.

So... the advanced parries do not work during critical stun?

 

[SEPHITR0TH]

If you are talking about holds, yes I was able to do Bayman's advance Mid-hold(the rolling armlock looking one) after being teabagged by Gen-Fu