why doesnt anyone counter?
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d3v
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Because the timing for holds is stricter in this game (and in the 5 series in general). Any sort of lag makes counters riskier than normal. Combine that with the fact that not every move puts you in critical state and most people are finding combos that avoid critical state.
d3v
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Missing the point. The stricter window means that the timing is more easily affected by latency online.
Rawbietussin
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Does the mid hold for both kicks and punches used to only be 4H (or 6H when on the other side) back then?
Drake Aldan
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Holding is risky.
You have to know what your opponent's going to do (know for sure!) and you have to have the right timing. Without reaching this state first, you're just gambling, and the odds favor the house.
Recklessly holding is a good way to extend your opponent's advantage and provide further stun opportunities where there normally would be none (or Hi-C throws. 100% salt.)
That's the conservative explanation anyway. In reality, they're not holding probably because they're busy mashing.
You have to know what your opponent's going to do (know for sure!) and you have to have the right timing. Without reaching this state first, you're just gambling, and the odds favor the house.
Recklessly holding is a good way to extend your opponent's advantage and provide further stun opportunities where there normally would be none (or Hi-C throws. 100% salt.)
That's the conservative explanation anyway. In reality, they're not holding probably because they're busy mashing.
If you hold and you get read, you take big damage.
Cat Girl
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Lol I noticed that too.. =P I have a really good connection with most people so countering people's moves is pretty easy... it's just when people mix-up their attack combos that I get screwed and take massive damage from getting stunned... xD One of those moments I wished I would have just held block and tried to punish with a low or something!
David Gregg
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Against a good player, countering is much more difficult. When in doubt, block and then wait for an opportune window to attack.
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KingGhidorah
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You can't always know what an opponent plans on doing, so blocking is your go to option.
Now if you desire to eat high damaging throws or end up stunned for combo hell, counters are what you wanna mindlessly toss about.
Now if you desire to eat high damaging throws or end up stunned for combo hell, counters are what you wanna mindlessly toss about.
David Gregg
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Back when? The 3-point hold system was last used in DOAD I think.
Rawbietussin
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I think DOA1 used to have it too since mid holds for both mid kicks and mid punches weren't separated unlike in 5/5U. Not so sure about 2, 3 and 4.
MasterHavik
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You kinda have a point since i have fought people who get blown up by the same shit over and over not wising up to it. But holding is a risk and you need to make a read in less you have an oh...and well you can throw that out if you see a high/mid or low coming your way.
David Gregg
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Don't know about 2 or 3 but DOA 4 had a 4-point hold for sure. It's better that way as it prevents the counter spammers and it lets moves like Eliot's new 4K shine.
Rawbietussin
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Don't know about 2 or 3 but DOA 4 had a 4-point hold for sure. It's better that way as it prevents the counter spammers and it lets moves like Eliot's new 4K shine.
I guess that's what makes it different from 1 and Dimensions (despite how it follows 4's gameplay) since it's literally mid hold spam city with the 3-point hold.
Aven Kujo-Gin
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Only DOA2 and DOA3 has 3-point hold, DOA2U has 4-point hold.
Rawbietussin
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Feel free to correct me.
DOA1/DOAU/DOA++ - 3-point hold
DOA2 - 3-point hold
DOA2U - 4-point hold
DOA3 - 3-point hold
DOA4 - 4-point hold
DOAD - 3-point hold
DOA5/DOA5U - 4-point hold
DOA1/DOAU/DOA++ - 3-point hold
DOA2 - 3-point hold
DOA2U - 4-point hold
DOA3 - 3-point hold
DOA4 - 4-point hold
DOAD - 3-point hold
DOA5/DOA5U - 4-point hold
That discussion exists elsewhere (no freaking clue where) but I think 2H has an option for 4 point holds.
Also remember these two words: "Core Fighter." You can bet I didn't use Roman Cancels in Guilty Gear games the first week or two I played them. Half of the new people I've been helping out in 5U so far haven't even done the Tutorial or Command Training.
Also remember these two words: "Core Fighter." You can bet I didn't use Roman Cancels in Guilty Gear games the first week or two I played them. Half of the new people I've been helping out in 5U so far haven't even done the Tutorial or Command Training.
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Dutch Samurai
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Mostly correct, but DoA++ actually had a 6-point hold system. Each strike (high, mid, and low punches and high, mid, and low kicks) had separate counter inputs as grap3 explains here... http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/567677-dead-or-alive/65414310
Rawbietussin
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Very informative indeed. Still, that could have been very difficult to read as all hold inputs vary on the strikes used that you got to know where are they going to land.