Eliot; General Discussion

[ScattereDreams]

In DOA5 Eliot's mid punch hold leaves him at +10, thus guaranteeing a 7p 9 frame punch stun. Same with his mid kick hold = +10. Unfortunately hes only at +5 after 2p+g, so nothing there. As for his parry, he's at +16, he gets no guaranteed launcher. Choryu is i13, and I even buffered the input so it comes out instantly, but CPU was still able to block it. Don't know what was going on there.

In the guide, his parries give him +20, the in game frame data is +16

EDIT: I don't know what's the deal with the frame data, but anyways. I'm guessing since even though I buffered the input for Choryu, the dash still registers and it takes a few frames. After his parries, 9kk is the only launcher I've found to be guaranteed; it's i13. Take note that 9kk is not a true launcher, although the second kick is difficult to hold if your opponent didn't buffer a hold command. So here's a nice combo for parries. ~ ~

 

[MaxwellMouse]

I am having trouble getting out the held 3P in time for his combos. Both the one posted above me for his parry and during his juggle throw. Any idea what I could be doing wrong?

 

[ScattereDreams]

I am having trouble getting out the held 3P in time for his combos. Both the one posted above me for his parry and during his juggle throw. Any idea what I could be doing wrong?

What I do is, I buffer during the recovery of the move you did before and once the move is completely finished, keep holding and input

 

[DontForkWitMe]

i do it an alternate way i press all in one smooth motion real fast.

 

[TakedaZX]

What about his guard pressure?

Gives advantage, I think +2(correct me if I'm wrong), which means no follow ups and the push back makes it to where your fastest jab will only hit if the opponent rushes back in, which I'd doubt would happen.

gives nothing but disadvantage, making it's only use to be to give pressure too uneducated opponents.

Breaks block but I think the disadvantage, just might be enough to get jab punished.

is -1 on block, uncharged. If you hold it out(for the long grueling 3 seconds that it takes, you get +12 advantage... which allows for follow ups like , , etc.

All of these seem pretty uhhh... useless except and even still... it's only +2.

 

[ScattereDreams]

Back turned leaves him at -2. However, since is i9 it comes out on the 11th frame and allow him to frame trap almost any mid punch.

I believe leaves him +3 or +4

 

[TakedaZX]

Back turned leaves him at -2. However, since is i9 it comes out on the 11th frame and allow him to frame trap almost any mid punch.

I believe leaves him +3 or +4

On block? I've never actually gotten it blocked... every time I use it, people are taken by surprise, and they just go rolling.

 

[StryBlu]

For Elliot's and what are the best followups you can do afterwards? It's a habit of mine to do then . Is there any better moves you can follow up with?

 

[TakedaZX]

For Elliot's and what are the best followups you can do afterwards? It's a habit of mine to do then . Is there any better moves you can follow up with?

I'll check it when I get home. Those seem like good options. What's the advantage off of those?

 

[StryBlu]

I'll check it when I get home. Those seem like good options. What's the advantage off of those?

Well for it connects most of the time and it sits them down then I just like to follow up with or any launcher afterwards....I haven't had any counter the so far or maybe I'm just getting really lucky

 

[Instant3p]

Well for it connects most of the time and it sits them down then I just like to follow up with or any launcher afterwards....I haven't had any counter the so far or maybe I'm just getting really lucky

You can do , and see if they try and counter the P and if they do that's when you throw them.

 

[ScattereDreams]

For Elliot's and what are the best followups you can do afterwards? It's a habit of mine to do then . Is there any better moves you can follow up with?

Well is guaranteed after both if they try to blocking since you're at +10 and 7p is only i9. BUT! they still have one frame to input a low attack.

 

[TakedaZX]

You can do , and see if they try and counter the P and if they do that's when you throw them.

Better yet. , , is means to a crit burst. Try that out sometime

 

[TakedaZX]

Better yet. , , (CB), , :
98 dmg - NH
118 dmg - CH
142 dmg - HCH

That's relatively easy and I'm probably gunna staple that until Im comfortable enough with instant hold 3p.

 

[TakedaZX]

His Guard Breaks Aren't really great, but I guess you could find uses.

(-7) - Useless if blocked, possibly grab punishable, though he is airborne.

(-3) - This one has it uses. Alone it's just a guard break with disadvantage, it also is an optional end to all of Eliot's regular strings that include Hekiken(aka 6PP(?) mixups). The last punch in Eliot's main combo is -15 making the safer option.

(+4) - I like to use this to approach my opponent quickly. If he blocks, 9 times out of 10 he'll know not to fuck around and try and beat my next move, which usually is 236p to rattle their chains a bit more, and so I can feel bad ass.

(+2) - Only plus 2 but it looks cool, which is all that matters to me in this situation. I only use this and the move above to knock away opponents or whiff punishment.

(+17) - Longest Charge I've seen on a move like this, in a long time. It's useful if you can connect it, but if you're getting rushed down time,
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[Instant3p]

Better yet. , , is means to a crit burst. Try that out sometime

Is that guaranteed?

 

[DontForkWitMe]

Is that guaranteed?

if the hits them while their back is turned then yes it is. but like scatter mentioned characters whos backturned after eliots mid hold connects can do a backturned low that crushes the

 

[StryBlu]

I was fighting a Hayabusa today and when I mid kIcked hold I couldn't even get 7p to connect.I holded twice in one round and he never low jabbed out of it either. Maybe it doesnt work in Hayabusa? Idk

 

[TakedaZX]

I was fighting a Hayabusa today and when I mid kIcked hold I couldn't even get 7p to connect.I holded twice in one round and he never low jabbed out of it either. Maybe it doesnt work in Hayabusa? Idk

I'll open up the lab and check, gimme a second. I'll edit this message.

Answer: It worked for me. I put him to standing guard after it, and to free step. On both of those times, he ate it. When I put him to crouching guard it missed like it's suppose to.

What's probably happening is if he's getting a guard right after, you're probably not buffering the 7p correctly, you have to wait til the last few frames of the hold animation and right before that ends, press it. It'll come out as fast as it can, meaning you get the guaranteed 9 frame jab everytime, assuming they don't duck. If they do duck that's when you gotta consider risky follow ups. I'm thinking about :B: or , it's up to you though.

Another thing is that if it's online, the netcode is bad, so somethings that should be punishable, aren't easily punished. is -12 on block but people still can't punish it well atleast not as well as offline.

 

[StryBlu]

I'll open up the lab and check, gimme a second. I'll edit this message.

To be specific one of the moves I Hayabusa's mid wake up kick