DOA5U ~Team BEST~ DOA5U Training on PSN/XBL
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Sorry I have not left any feed back yet. Been a bit busy. I'll try to get back to you on it tonight after I'm out of class.
Ael
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Sure, add me whenever you can. I'll invite you into a lobby so we can get some matches going.
PSN: Aelivia
P.S. Hajin might be the host--we'll see so he might send out invites also.
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Sol Badguy
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Thanks. You're the bestPrince Adon: 179647 said:
That's what Team BEST and these play sessions are about, helping players. We play various players and let them play each other as we analyze your play and give you proper feedback when requested. We aren't playing to win here, we're playing to learn (figure out what each player's playstyle is like and their tendecies and try to evaluate from there), and we're playing to help you learn more.
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GovTD
New Member
Well, I guess I could use some tips on getting past a pretty aggressive playstyle (like how everyone seemed to be destroying me with), and maybe some pointers on how to follow up whenever I get a low strike in that doesn't cause too much damage (like whenever I hit some one with a rolling knuckle, which doesn't cause too much stun even as a counter hit).
I guess I'm alright with footsies, in the fact that I have a general idea on what to do, so I think I should put my attention in working on following up on light stuns and dealing with the neutral game. But that might just be a question of asking a vet-Tina player what her really good moves are.
IDK, got any suggestion on where I should improve?
@Prince Adon can help you with the Tina suggestions.
As for aggressive play, as for dealing with it, you have to maintain a good defense. And that requires experience against that kind of play (and just in general). Basic and good blocking versus mid and lows helps, while also low throw punishing unsafe lows and low sweeps (and basic generic throw punishment of unsafety in general but that requires you to study frame data a bit).
The most probable way of dealing with it though is trying to pay attention to patterns. Because in aggressive play, there is always a pattern or a few. Realizing when and how a player places their set ups is the key to breaking them. Once you do, and they can't change it, it's a sign that you have a read on them and you can pick it apart soon.
As for Ael and myself. She is not an aggressive player by any means and neither am I. We're both very defensive but in almost different ways. She loves zoning and forcing you to play her neutral game. I am very footsies and spacing heavy and can play passive aggressive once I score my knockdowns. Other than that, I am literally just destroying people with my neutral game because I have no reason to commit to anything until my opponent commits or makes mistakes.
I think I may do a session sometime soon, that would be about teaching folks some need-to-know basics in DOA and how you can get started on reading frame data.
As for aggressive play, as for dealing with it, you have to maintain a good defense. And that requires experience against that kind of play (and just in general). Basic and good blocking versus mid and lows helps, while also low throw punishing unsafe lows and low sweeps (and basic generic throw punishment of unsafety in general but that requires you to study frame data a bit).
The most probable way of dealing with it though is trying to pay attention to patterns. Because in aggressive play, there is always a pattern or a few. Realizing when and how a player places their set ups is the key to breaking them. Once you do, and they can't change it, it's a sign that you have a read on them and you can pick it apart soon.
As for Ael and myself. She is not an aggressive player by any means and neither am I. We're both very defensive but in almost different ways. She loves zoning and forcing you to play her neutral game. I am very footsies and spacing heavy and can play passive aggressive once I score my knockdowns. Other than that, I am literally just destroying people with my neutral game because I have no reason to commit to anything until my opponent commits or makes mistakes.
I think I may do a session sometime soon, that would be about teaching folks some need-to-know basics in DOA and how you can get started on reading frame data.
@GovTD do you have a video I can watch of you playing? It would make it easier for me to give you tips.
@Sol Badguy Okay I went back and watched one of our videos. One thing I feel you need to work on is using Lei fang's parries. Her parries (especially against a character like Sarah) can make things a lot easier. She has guaranteed after it that can give her damage, or a scary mix up. After you stun your opponent is also when Lei Fang is really scary, because she has various of ways to stun launch, CB, throw...etc Mix ups. So pretty much you should work on when to be aggressive, and when to be defensive. Lei Fang is also really safe, so you should make use of that. Overall I didn't think you were bad at all. Just have improvement to do like everyone else. =) I can always help you in your process! If you want to understand anymore of Lei Fang's set ups or anything let me know!
@Sol Badguy Okay I went back and watched one of our videos. One thing I feel you need to work on is using Lei fang's parries. Her parries (especially against a character like Sarah) can make things a lot easier. She has guaranteed after it that can give her damage, or a scary mix up. After you stun your opponent is also when Lei Fang is really scary, because she has various of ways to stun launch, CB, throw...etc Mix ups. So pretty much you should work on when to be aggressive, and when to be defensive. Lei Fang is also really safe, so you should make use of that. Overall I didn't think you were bad at all. Just have improvement to do like everyone else. =) I can always help you in your process! If you want to understand anymore of Lei Fang's set ups or anything let me know!
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I noticed that when i've tried to dance just outside of range, just like you should in real fighting, you can easily trap people if you can figure out when to throw your long ranger in. And i feel i give myself away *ALOT*, which doesn't help as i play very aggressively. I'm starting to move back, more, though.
GovTD
New Member
Well, I haven't been able to upload any videos of me yet, but I might have time to do that in the next couple of days. I just gotta find time between work and school to do that.
Sol Badguy
New Member
QUOTE="Prince Adon, post: 180055, member: 7935"]@GovTD do you have a video I can watch of you playing? It would make it easier for me to give you tips.
@Sol Badguy Okay I went back and watched one of our videos. One thing I feel you need to work on is using Lei fang's parries. Her parries (especially against a character like Sarah) can make things a lot easier. She has guaranteed after it that can give her damage, or a scary mix up. After you stun your opponent is also when Lei Fang is really scary, because she has various of ways to stun launch, CB, throw...etc Mix ups. So pretty much you should work on when to be aggressive, and when to be defensive. Lei Fang is also really safe, so you should make use of that. Overall I didn't think you were bad at all. Just have improvement to do like everyone else. =) I can always help you in your process! If you want to understand anymore of Lei Fang's set ups or anything let me know![/QUOTE]
Ok, thanks Adon. I enjoyed the matches we had! I wanna pick up Sarah so could you help me with her?
@Sol Badguy Okay I went back and watched one of our videos. One thing I feel you need to work on is using Lei fang's parries. Her parries (especially against a character like Sarah) can make things a lot easier. She has guaranteed after it that can give her damage, or a scary mix up. After you stun your opponent is also when Lei Fang is really scary, because she has various of ways to stun launch, CB, throw...etc Mix ups. So pretty much you should work on when to be aggressive, and when to be defensive. Lei Fang is also really safe, so you should make use of that. Overall I didn't think you were bad at all. Just have improvement to do like everyone else. =) I can always help you in your process! If you want to understand anymore of Lei Fang's set ups or anything let me know![/QUOTE]
Ok, thanks Adon. I enjoyed the matches we had! I wanna pick up Sarah so could you help me with her?
I'm still learning her, but I'm more than willing to help!
I would say Hayate. Hayate is a character that wins just using the basics. So I would stick with him as far as learning the basics goes.
Interesting. I'm trying to figure out who, out of the basic 4, would be easiest to learn, so i could learn him/her fast, then teach him/her fast. Would i take it that you vote Hayate?
Sol Badguy
New Member
[QUOTE="Prince Adon, post: 180294, member: 7]I'm still learning her, but I'm more than willing to help!
I would say Hayate. Hayate is a character that wins just using the basics. So I would stick with him as far as learning the basics goes.[/QUOTE]
If you're not comfortable with her yet then that's cool. I just wanna learn a more offensive character because Bass has helped me become better at punishing and mixup (since he is mid heavy).
I would say Hayate. Hayate is a character that wins just using the basics. So I would stick with him as far as learning the basics goes.[/QUOTE]
If you're not comfortable with her yet then that's cool. I just wanna learn a more offensive character because Bass has helped me become better at punishing and mixup (since he is mid heavy).
Hayate is the most well rounded. He's a good at all, but a master of none. I definitely would say him.