I think his point is she don't have some weird unlikely feature. Which I agree with. Which is why I also love Sheva Alomar. XD
"You are tearing me apart, Lisa!" The Lisa Strategy thread
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Batcommander
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hell yes, i LOVE her! A lot of people shit on her though, makes me sad
i feel your pain man, i fell in love with sheva almost instantly when i played re5hell yes, i LOVE her! A lot of people shit on her though, makes me sad
Batcommander
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So . . . did anybody realize Lisa's PP gives her +19 on hit? Technically, just the second punch.
I mean, i always liked this move, but now i know why.
What this means, is that if you land PP4, you can get a guaranteed 4P launcher if the opponent doesn't hold, followed by air throw on the majority of the cast (this is for those like me that try to avoid stun game too much, but +19-20 allows you to be creative).
Accomodate accordingly for holders though; that's why we have BT neutral throw and our other throws, of course.
Also, PP4, followed quickly by BT , gives us a whopping +33 on hit That's a lot of good stuff to work with.
Cons:
Technically, just the second punch.I mean, i always liked this move, but now i know why.
What this means, is that if you land PP4, you can get a guaranteed 4P launcher if the opponent doesn't hold, followed by air throw on the majority of the cast (this is for those like me that try to avoid stun game too much, but +19-20 allows you to be creative).
Accomodate accordingly for holders though; that's why we have BT neutral throw and our other throws, of course.
Also, PP4, followed quickly by BT
, gives us a whopping +33 on hit That's a lot of good stuff to work with.Cons:
PP isn't a natural combo on normal hit (it's not like you'll ever land an i12 on normal anyways, it's almost always counter hit).
second P can be held (not sidestepped tho! )
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DR2K
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Lisa can get into CB so easily. (high crush)(stun) any move to contine stun and CB or high damage throw.
causes a sitdown against low kicks and is a great pressure tool against people that tech since she has a built in OH and a guard break off of it. Just a great sitdown stun in general, it's a little slow at 31 frames, but very useful.
(high crush)(stun) any move to contine stun and CB or high damage throw. causes a sitdown against low kicks and is a great pressure tool against people that tech since she has a built in OH and a guard break off of it. Just a great sitdown stun in general, it's a little slow at 31 frames, but very useful.
one of my favorite (risky) things to do on knockdown is jump over the grounded opponent as they try to wakeup kick and use BT for a counter hit and cause sitdown and immediately use her OH
not sure exactly how useful it is, but it works for me majority of the time so far.
for a counter hit and cause sitdown and immediately use her OHnot sure exactly how useful it is, but it works for me majority of the time so far.
Lisa can get into CB so easily.
For CB set up I also use 66Pk, 7P, F, CB. Also 4KK, 6P, F, CB, or 6P4P, F, 7P, CB.
Batcommander
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Yep, i use that same 66PK, 7P, CB combo too. Sometimes i'll throw in a jab after 7p to discourage holders. I used to avoid 66pk but it grants such great stun and the first punch tracks; been using it more, but at mid range of course since it's i20. Also, if you manage to whiff 66P, but land the low kick followup, you can get a guaranteed launcher BT 4P from it, as long as they don't hold.
Also, counter hit 1PP, BT PP, CB works pretty good too.
Oh yeah another one I use. 1PP, 7P, CB.
Batcommander
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You can also substitute BT K for BT 7P to make your CB mixup stronger; it lands the same stun as 7P and yields similar results. Also, BT 1p has the same frames as BT 7p too, but it requires a little more damage to reach CB threshold.
Random note:
You can get a guaranteed 33K launcher after PP as long as the opponent does not hold. You have to buffer it a bit since the stun is short, but it works reliably. Follow up with air throw.
ailingeternity
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I think people need to start implementing into their comboing game. It's an amazing string launcher that gives more height than her other front facing launchers. Yes, it can't be used with critical burst but the payoff for landing it is awesome. The juggles she can land after it are very powerful. Before any of you say it's a high finisher, think about to punish those low hold spammers...
into their comboing game. It's an amazing string launcher that gives more height than her other front facing launchers. Yes, it can't be used with critical burst but the payoff for landing it is awesome. The juggles she can land after it are very powerful. Before any of you say it's a high finisher, think about to punish those low hold spammers...
Yes. 6P8K is awesome.
Batcommander
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Hell yes, i like using this after a PP stun. It also works wonders online.
Batcommander
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Another use for splash feint:
After knocking an opponent down with 6KK, if they don't tech roll, you can force them up with 9K, then splash feint to end up behind them.
After knocking an opponent down with 6KK, if they don't tech roll, you can force them up with 9K, then splash feint to end up behind them.
Batcommander
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Yeah, it'd be nice if they moved the hurt box up on the move, or even on just the splash feint. I've been mid kicked out of it before -_-
Also, anybody found a use for KK6K? I don't really use K strings anyway, but i find this move redundant since KKK is superior and they're both mid kick finishers, with KKK leading to launch 4P. KK6K is faster by a few frames but it still blows. I'm just writing it off to Lisa's useless move bin atm.
Ailing brought it up earlier, but wakeup FK is really hard to hold. I don't know if it was like this in DOA4, but the first kick is low, and the consecutive kicks are mid I was wondering why people always got hit by this; now i know why.
The range is fantastic too, and if you don't follow up with the second trip kicks, you get a nice, deep stun to work with.
Also, anybody found a use for KK6K? I don't really use K strings anyway, but i find this move redundant since KKK is superior and they're both mid kick finishers, with KKK leading to launch 4P. KK6K is faster by a few frames but it still blows. I'm just writing it off to Lisa's useless move bin atm.
Ailing brought it up earlier, but wakeup FK is really hard to hold. I don't know if it was like this in DOA4, but the first kick is low, and the consecutive kicks are mid
I was wondering why people always got hit by this; now i know why.The range is fantastic too, and if you don't follow up with the second trip kicks, you get a nice, deep stun to work with.
ailingeternity
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The only string I use is since her doesn't trip stun anymore, it gives decent stun and has BT transition, itself it great to use from mid range.
In DOA4, wakeup was easily held, DOA5 introduced more 2/3 in 1's which I believe this move is now. It's so easy to set up CB after it, the first low is also pretty unseeable and once you get hit by that you're in trouble. I usually either then CB or afterwards.
string I use is since her doesn't trip stun anymore, it gives decent stun and has BT transition, itself it great to use from mid range.In DOA4, wakeup
was easily held, DOA5 introduced more 2/3 in 1's which I believe this move is now. It's so easy to set up CB after it, the first low is also pretty unseeable and once you get hit by that you're in trouble. I usually either then CB or afterwards.
~ / - - (Deja Vu) is my favorite mixup with lisamost of the time people expect you to finish the string but you can blow them up (if they hold) with
and create space for some Carrera mind fucking. Of course I dont need to explain Deja Vu lol.honorable mention to
i never see anyone use this mixup that goes straight into BT.....its pretty boss imo