How am I wrong? I was using alpha today and perfect legend tried ss but it didn't work because I was mashing punch or kick over and over. Shes a braindead character bro.
Lets be serious here Alpha-152 needs to be banned.
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Is he as unfamiliar with Alpha? Probably...
If I decide to try mashing punch and it works on some people, and it doesn't work on some at all. And her PPPPPP can all be side-stepped. As well as 3P
So far I see no valid reasons to ban her but her 50% HC throw which not many people fall for anymore because they are smart enough to duck when they see it coming. Or it just misses because it's a weird 20 frame throw.
Rikuto
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No, I wanted her changed. I don't believe any character should be based around the concept of winning from resets that come from unreactable low stuns coupled with unbreakable throws. That's bad character design and a lot of fighting games do it.
Mamba ignored the message I was sending and got defensive because nobody likes it when their money maker receives criticism.
But this isn't a thread about her.
Alpha gets her damage pretty freely whether it be from a juggle or from throws.
CB is almost guaranteed since she can take off the pretty much the exact same life or more from a throw. So when you get stunned you are pretty much ****ed since you are basically making a decision whether you want to risk dying from raw combo damage or from a incorrect hold that will take half life from her throw.
This wouldn't be such a big problem if she didn't have millions of strings that last forever that will put you in stun if you guess incorrectly...and it's pretty easy to guess incorrectly against her.
@Awesmic Honestly if TN had to change her they'd probably have to redo her character design in general. She is just designed to be mashy.
CB is almost guaranteed since she can take off the pretty much the exact same life or more from a throw. So when you get stunned you are pretty much ****ed since you are basically making a decision whether you want to risk dying from raw combo damage or from a incorrect hold that will take half life from her throw.
This wouldn't be such a big problem if she didn't have millions of strings that last forever that will put you in stun if you guess incorrectly...and it's pretty easy to guess incorrectly against her.
@Awesmic Honestly if TN had to change her they'd probably have to redo her character design in general. She is just designed to be mashy.
"Millions of strings that last forever." You are so off-base this thread should be renamed with that quote.
DOA is all about good guessing so I see this point invalid as well. I find it easy to guess incorrectly against Christie (whom I don't complain about like SOOOO many others do that are babies), and a PLETHORA of other characters so maybe DOA should just be banned from tournaments.
I don't bitch about any characters technically which already makes me a good sport in my book.
DOA is all about good guessing so I see this point invalid as well. I find it easy to guess incorrectly against Christie (whom I don't complain about like SOOOO many others do that are babies), and a PLETHORA of other characters so maybe DOA should just be banned from tournaments.
I don't bitch about any characters technically which already makes me a good sport in my book.
Rikuto
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Too much logic sir. This is unwelcome here.
So what you're saying is that you don't understand the difference between a logical guess and a random guess.
No wonder you see nothing wrong with Alpha.
Weren't you bitching on Twitter the other day that all everyone in the fighting game community does is bitch for nerfs instead of learning to play around something?
Yeah, so let's ban more characters before the game comes out!
We have different definitions of logic at this point.
Rikuto
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Yeah, so let's ban more characters before the game comes out!
"The game" is already out, it has been for a year. What we are talking about is an update. If the character is simply buffed to insane levels even further, and so far thats all we've seen out of her, then yes that's an accurate measure to take when we're about to go fight for eight grand.
I have nothing against Christie, but since I see a lot of people complain about her as well I thought she would be an excellent character to bring up.
Though people do use her against Alpha because of the advantage she tends to have I still say we have the best matches ever.
RoboJoe
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This thread should be posted on the front page. The outcome has serious consequences and anyone with even a small stake in competitive doa should make their thoughts known. FSD basically has the final say on doa tournament rules and once a decision is reached, that's it.
Tenryuga
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People don't use Alpha in tournaments because some how or some way word got out that she was supposed to be ass in this game. Then time passed and some people started to realize how good some of her shit is...and now people think her stuff warrants a ban. Like I really don't get why you Alpha players continue to say your character is bad. Like I said show vids of you guys playing the match up so we can see how to deal with the nonsense.
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Do you know what string manipulation is? Do you not understand how blessed your character is with that ability? Those "telegraphed" strings become more and more annoying to deal with when you start free cancelling into other strings, using delays and mixing in throws that can potentially land as HCT netting you 30%+ damage. Every time I get caught on block by a jab I have to decide whether I want to crush a grab attempt, interrupt free cancel or delay attempts, hold, or step. If I'm wrong I get stunned and take a good amount of damage. Against other characters the end result for being wrong in that instance is not always a stun or massive damage. Others have already explained to you how bad it is to be in stun against Alpha. Yeah it's bad to be stunned in general but no other character has the threat of 3 CB's and soviet level damage from throws and juggles.
@deathofaninja
Do you know what string manipulation is? Do you not understand how blessed your character is with that ability? Those "telegraphed" strings become more and more annoying to deal with when you start free cancelling into other strings, using delays and mixing in throws that can potentially land as HCT netting you 30%+ damage. Every time I get caught on block by a jab I have to decide whether I want to crush a grab attempt, interrupt free cancel or delay attempts, hold, or step. If I'm wrong I get stunned and take a good amount of damage. Against other characters the end result for being wrong in that instance is not always a stun or massive damage. Others have already explained to you how bad it is to be in stun against Alpha. Yeah it's bad to be stunned in general but no other character has the threat of 3 CB's and soviet level damage from throws and juggles.
Christie is definitely a problem, but she doesn't have 3 CB and half life throws. Also Christie's strings while pretty ridiculous still aren't as bad as Alpha's. You missed the entire point.
As for not being able to guess correctly against that many members of the cast....you must just not be good at DOA.
No DOA5U is not nearly the same as DOA5.
And excuse me, but what buff did you see pertaining to her parry??? Is it too slow now? smh What you've seen is an extension to 33K which is nothing spectacular and an even lighter class weight which isn't good. Oh and now she has a mid-kick launcher that will be reversed 24/7 just like her pathetic mid-punch dive.
And how was she buffed in the update? She was nerfed AND buffed. I call that balancing.
synce
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No I don't think FSD has any say in TFC and I don't think TN wants any of their characters banned when they're donating $8K.
Anyway the fact that we're seriously discussing banning a character before anyone even knows how to do a fucking power launcher properly makes me worry for this community.
Anyway the fact that we're seriously discussing banning a character before anyone even knows how to do a fucking power launcher properly makes me worry for this community.
AkaShocka
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I'll just say one thing because I'm not going to argue. I really don't mind Alpha being a boss character (like in DOA4) but I do not think she should be playable alone. I saw and Alpha player in a lobby vs a very good Kasumi player and Alpha was just mashing p and k. That Kasumi player couldn't do anything. If you don't believe me on this, you can ask pokerking87 as well, he saw it also.
Doa_Eater
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Who cares man, he plays Doomsday now, does he even have a standalone based comic?
Well i'm all for this nerf, this eliminates ChrisG as a surprise entrant out of the picture.
Some people are manipulated easy, and some are not. So once again, what does that have to do with her being banned?
And at Blackberry.... Christie isn't a problem. She's a problem for babies that can't adapt to certain characters. But I will continue to play and get better against all characters. And I won't bitch about it a damned day in my life because even with 8,000 dollars on the table it's a game... and Alpha AND Christie are not unbeatable characters. I see this as a mulligan for people that don't like her because they can't comprehend her when some clearly can, and a hit to the people that enjoy playing as this character.
The only characters that should be banned are the ones that can't be beat, because if there is a will there is a way. Asking for a ban in my opinion is weak and almost humorous.
In my opinion it has everything to do with the player. Xcal will probably win TFC, and it's not because he uses Helena and Alpha (omg!) it's because he's fucking good and he's proven he can win with any char he wants.
The people that complain about characters don't make the money they want, so I can see why they would do anything in their power to increase their chances of winning. YEY
I'm adding pokerking87 to my FL right now. My condolences.
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Wrong. Team ninja listens to our opinions. Tom lee gets feedback from everyone at events he attends. If the community feels alpha should be banned team ninja won't care. They didn't care with cgs.
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