Lets be serious here Alpha-152 needs to be banned.

[deathofaninja]

She's not unbeatable, she's lost before and if she was still in the tournament scene she would continue to lose. But since she's a threat and won a tournament players such as Rikuto see a bug that needs to be squashed quickly so they have a better shot at making money. What I said about Rikuto remains, he's an incredible player. But I guess even the most incredible players complain, and when people like Perfect Legend (DOA5 OVERLORD) and Rikuto complain... they are gonna win no matter what is said unless Master is in the picture as well.

Some people complain about every character they lose to and it's sad and funny at the same time.

I've already discussed her validity, and I guess not well enough. If that's what you guys wanna do... do it. Xcal will still take home the prize pots worth taking home and now I'm glad. Your words and bickering will mean nothing then.

 

[Brute]

Again, you raise absolutely no points.
You just say "she has lost before."

I'm done trying to have a serious conversation with a broken record.

 

[deathofaninja]

Again, you raise absolutely no points.
You just say "she has lost before."

I'm done trying to have a serious conversation with a broken record.

Why do I have to go so in depth here? I've already said countless things like her parry being changed, and slower, many of her strings are definitely easily SSed as proven by Awesmic and his Christie, and she is useless and dead against a wall unless she LUCKILY hits a parry and isn't thrown into the wall in the process. Her teleport counters fuck her up the ass 9/10, her strings are easy to see coming and are COMMONLY reversed unless you read bad or don't know how to DUCK or fight your way out of easy things such as BURST or any of her uniquely animated throws. She has no guarantees, or wake-ups. She's going to be a feather-weight which means she will be taking far more than she's giving; or it will balance.

I just don't see that many advantages unless she's on dojo, and people are clueless on how to avoid B.U.R.S.T. Not to mention there aren't even that many Alpha players, so you only have a handful to adapt to.

People are just mad as expressed by some of the revolting comments in this thread. They refuse to adapt to her because either they can't or don't have the patience to fight her.

I mean can you come up with any thing better than "can of shit"?

 

[DontForkWitMe]

Im not going to sugarcoat it. im neither a tourny goer or a high level player. Im just your average black man who simply doesn't like bullshit... alpha is the epitome of bullshit...simple as that. in my unbiased opinion there isn't anyone on this planet more bitch-made than alpha players she is a complete low risk/high reward braindead character that should've got the DOA4 tengu treatment and nerfed the shit out of in 5u only for her to get even more buffs while extremely weak characters like eliot and bass continue to get shit on with unwarranted nerfs.

i am not going to learn the match up..i am not going to change my mains to compete with her better. i am not going to do shit other than continue to let alpha players know they have no shame or balls whenever i run into them online...

My verdict:
Ban the cunt

 

[deathofaninja]

Im not going to sugarcoat it. im neither a tourny goer or a high level player. Im just your average black man who simply doesn't like bullshit... alpha is the epitome of bullshit...simple as that. in my unbiased opinion there isn't anyone on this planet more bitch-made than alpha players she is a complete low risk/high reward braindead character that should've got the DOA4 tengu treatment and nerfed the shit out of in 5u only for her to get even more buffs while extremely weak characters like eliot and bass continue to get shit on with unwarranted nerfs.

i am not going to learn the match up..i am not going to change my mains to compete with her better. i am not going to do shit other than continue to let alpha players know they have no shame or balls whenever i run into them online...

My verdict:
Ban the cunt

Why would they have shame, and why does it matter if they have balls? You are an extremely bitter person and I will not be reading your posts in the future because they disgust me.

Oh, and the poll will close before we see everything new. A fair trial says Jesus.

 

[Tokkosho]

Did you just use Christie as a general example for sidestepping...? Wut. I'm sorry but this character is so full of bullshit it ain't even worth joking about. Her parries and counters are not bad. They're fucking annoying (counter she can land a bt combo, yes not guaranteed but still, and her parries allow for her bs to start) she has abnormally quick recovery on her dumbass throws and ohs so you seriously can't suggest she's balanced

 

[Brute]

See? was that so hard?

many of her strings are definitely easily SSed as proven by Awesmic and his Christie,

Christie has unusually powerful SS qualities.
And while some strings can, the vast majority of her strings are long enough to either re-track or simply move into tracking attacks at multiple levels.

she is useless and dead against a wall unless she LUCKILY hits a parry and isn't thrown into the wall in the process.

You never want to be against a wall with any character. Alpha does have the bad WU scenario but a successful "hold" will flip the tables putting the opponent into the wall for a 1/3 guess (high/mid/low). Not also that a poorly timed attack by only a few frames by the attacker can be intercepted by Alpha's numerous crushes and lightning-fast jab. I'd say that pro helps to outweigh the con so that it's not a huge crutch to her otherwise great game. Also note that putting her into a wall is very difficult due to her exceptional neutral game.

Her teleport counters fuck her up the ass 9/10

I have noticed nothing of the sort. Explain.

her strings are easy to see coming and are COMMONLY reversed unless you read bad

Not really. They may seem so to you becuase you're used to her attacks, but the same thing happens to every character when you master their movelist and options. Alpha can string-delay and free-cancel exceptionally well, making these actually less of an issue than with most characters. By "reversed" you may mean: intercepted or held
holding is terrible against alpha due to her 236236T, which is literally one of the best throws in the game. Her long strings mentioned earlier are way better for baiting this out than other heavy-throw characters, too. Her multiple CBs also make it exceptionally tricky to hold her CB set-ups which net insane damage.
By intercepts... rarely can you intercept her strings with anything but one of the fastest characters.

or don't know how to DUCK or fight your way out of easy things such as BURST or any of her uniquely animated throws

...how do you "fight your way out of a uniquely animated throw" when throws are unbreakable?
Simple ducking doesn't work because she has long strings with lots of mids. The 236236T is good at punishing any attempt to circumvent those strings. Not to mention she has a fast, damaging low throw, as well (moreso than most).

I mean can you come up with any thing better than "can of shit"?

Yes.

 

[Blackburry]

MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADUUH

 

[Rikuto]

If that's the case then Alpha would be head and shoulders above everyone in the tier chart based on what's being said here. But she's not, because there are better characters.

No offense but a lot of you guys who contributed to that list REALLY don't know what you're talking about...

She's not unbeatable, she's lost before and if she was still in the tournament scene she would continue to lose. But since she's a threat and won a tournament players such as Rikuto see a bug that needs to be squashed quickly so they have a better shot at making money. What I said about Rikuto remains, he's an incredible player. But I guess even the most incredible players complain, and when people like Perfect Legend (DOA5 OVERLORD) and Rikuto complain... they are gonna win no matter what is said unless Master is in the picture as well.

Some people complain about every character they lose to and it's sad and funny at the same time.

I've already discussed her validity, and I guess not well enough. If that's what you guys wanna do... do it. Xcal will still take home the prize pots worth taking home and now I'm glad. Your words and bickering will mean nothing then.

See, now you're accusing me of calling for her ban due to selfish reasons, instead of directly arguing the points that were presented at the start of the thread. I don't appreciate that shit, especially since I'm not the one who even started this.

Some fairly immature shit right there, sir.

 

[Tenren]

still cant believe people have issue playing against her. I find it funny Carl started all of this seeing how he played scorpion in injustice while people were screaming ban him.
The only thing truly broken about her is how easy she is to play. Even at high lev it dosnt take a lot. Her biggest weakness is she has to guess what your going to throw out after she gets off the ground. Unless she can do her garbage special wake up kick. AirGear destroys my alpha just by running up after he has knocked me down. At that point its a guessing game.

 

[Rikuto]

I guarantee that nothing which happens during that guessing game is as fucked up as what will happen during yours -- which, by the way, begins at the start of the round, not after you've been knocked down.

 

[Crext]

Again, I don't care much about this.
I don't main Alpha, and I never will. That said the injustice here is out of question.

Fact is some/many people vote/talk based on their bad experience of her in 1.03, yet one vote for 1.10, thus it is based on ignorance and prejudice rather than opinion. As a matter of fact this could be said by any vote, and therefor the voting becomes staged and invalid. We do not know enough, and we have no way of gaining that knowledge at present time. Anyone not biased or pro alpha seem to have mentioned this several times now, with no good reply.

 

[KidArk]

Many of her strings are definitely easily SSed as proven by Awesmic and his Christie.

Christie the same top tier christie that can Jak SS out of everything, your argument that "Low tier" alpha can be sidestepped by "High tier Christie"? I main Bayman and I can only tank roll 3 strings IF you complete them because she has too many things that leave her crouching, or she can just crouch grab me for ... a lot.

"She is useless and dead against a wall unless she LUCKILY hits a parry and isn't thrown into the wall .."

Useless against a wall you say? Bayman is the wall king if i do say so myself and after I 6T Alpha into the wall I GET SCARED, it's either she throws me out of the next 6T, Crushes my jab , parries my next hit, just blocks my follow up and i'm unsafe, and if i wait 1 second, I lost all my +frames and she's free to mash ANY button and i have to respect it because I don't know if this is some set up she made on the fly.

Her teleport counters fuck her up the ass 9/10

No she literally teleports behind the opponent and fucks "them" up the ass.

Her strings are easy to see coming and are COMMONLY reversed unless you read bad or don't know how to DUCK

Here's a story about Gen fu, You ever use him? I can trap you with 6PPP and PPP 2K and mix you up all day with the same move, because he can delay that shit all day long and if you wanna try to " reverse it" i can just react and throw you stun you do w/e I want with you and im just using mid punch high punch low. Now Alpha's entire movelist.. is just like that.
She has no guarantees, or wake-ups. She's going to be a feather-weight which means she will be taking far more than she's giving; or it will balance.
Who has guarantees anyway? Gen Fu (Broken) Eliot (Needs it) Alpha (Broken) Kasumi (why does she even..) and 90% of people just quick rise anyway so what's the point of a wake up kick with force tech city and crazy oki setups that is DOA now? She's a light weight but juggles pretty equally to my heavyweight.

People are just mad as expressed by some of the revolting comments in this thread. They refuse to adapt to her because either they can't or don't have the patience to fight her.

People are just mad? Do you know this conversation was supposed to go like, oh Alpha's 3kk is a little safe perhaps they could buff that but you do know when i do so and so that leaves me unsafe so you can do this? Then everyone talks and comes to a consensus not.. this.. not this at all.

I mean can you come up with any thing better than "can of shit"

Can of Jello shit?

The first thing you said when you started posting in this thread was " get over it and adapt" rude much ? Then you continued to berate people for their opinions THEIR OPINIONS, how can you get mad for what they feel is right, all you can do is post your opinion and conduct civilly, if you look back on this thread the first person to be rude to anyone was yourself, so before you say everyone is jumping on you, you should not have jumped on anyone yourself.

 

[Deleted member 473]

Banning people mains....... now THATS retarded. I wonder what would happen if Zack gets broken too? :/
Everyone here logic: BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN

 

[Brute]

Banning people mains....... now THATS retarded. I wonder what would happen if Zack gets broken too? :/
Everyone here logic: BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN

In general if a character actually, legitimately "gets broken" then yes, a ban is an acceptable response.

 

[KidArk]

Banning people mains....... now THATS retarded. I wonder what would happen if Zack gets broken too? :/
Everyone here logic: BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN

You do understand it's a temporary tournament ban right? Will it take Chris G mashing to win for you to realize that people just want this tournament to be fun and fair ?

 

[Deleted member 473]

*sigh*

 

[KidArk]

IIRC Hilde was banned in SC IV? Right where she could hit confirm poke you into ring out from the middle of the map? She was beatable and you could see it comming but cmon it's instant kill from the middle of the map.
Ice climbers are banned in melee in a lot of tournaments, it's a grab instant kill right out of the map, sure the rhythm is a little hard to get but once you main ice climbers shit is going down. sorry those are the only bans I can think i've ever seen xD.

 

[Rikuto]

Maybe I'll just use Alpha from now on to prove a point.

 

[Crext]

Are you people to busy to hooligan gang rush, in order answer why the heck we should ban things from 1.10, which we know close to nothing about at present?

Why ban now? Any decent technocrat would understand the irrationality of not postponing such an arrangement. What is the rush?