Say whaaaaat? What is going on here?

[Relius Starkiller]

Kinda like D Glock was taken care of, right?

Don't compare what happened with Glock to what happened with you. See, Glock didn't go around lacing profanity laden assaults on Master or Moris. Glock was close to the situation but Glock show'd next to no interest in DOA outside helping out with the forums. How many tournaments did he go to? None, so why should anyone think he'd want to SUDDENLY be involved with the offline DOA scene? If he had spoke up he would have gotten what he wanted and all of you would have been coming in on HIM for going to Japan instead of a veteran who's "Earned" the chance to go see Team Ninja - and you know thats the god damn truth.

I'm not going to shut up or fall into line for that douchebag. Just because you want to be his little bitch doesn't mean I have to be. If his nature wasn't anymore transparent by the way you actually just said this pretentious bullshit, I don't even know what kind idiot would actually be convinced that guy runs a legit operation. I'm not going to be a martyr either. I get what I earn and I stay satisfied with it. That's integrity.

Sorry they don't have that where your from.

Oh, I'm Masters bitch because I take an objective stance on every issue.

God, I must be throwing the ass up, letting everybody fuck huh?

If you were actually satified with what you earned you wouldn't be lamenting the past so often and you certainly wouldn't give more than a passing mention to the fact that you beat Master in a challenge match at CGS2 - but the fact is that anyone who brings up that era gets a history lesson on why Master is bitches and mother fuckers and how you should have gotten on the show instead of him.

Even though at the first combine he actually won challenge matches and got deep into the tournament.

Even though he had the best record from season 1. (I'm efforting this fact but I'm 99% sure I'm right)

No Rikuto, you're salty and you're spreading misinformation - if I ever see Master equivocating about you I'll let him have it too but I'm sick and tired of watching you do what you're doing.

Is Master guilty of some of what you accuse him of? Probably but most of this stuff you guys throw out there is sensational and is easily shot down with a few minutes in Google.

 

[Matt Ponton]

Even though he had the best record from season 1. (I'm efforting this fact but I'm 99% sure I'm right)

I believe Offbeat was had the best Record. Manny was close though. I remember Manny having 7-3 record when Offbeat had a 9-1.

 

[Chris Harris]

The game had at most 30 people playing. . .the SAME 30 people playing. It had literally been the same players playing the game since it came to life outside a few new names (myself included). No one is saying Manny is bad at DoA, we're saying their are people who BEAT HIM CONSISTENTLY that get none of what he gets. That Morris has in fact LIED about him being THE best, not ONE OF THE best. THE best was Mamba and PL hands down in DoA4, Manny had no legit runs in the course of that game he was always 3rd in the line up but treated as if he was the first.

NO OTHER community has pulled any shit like that. Are you seriously going to pretend that it's okay to just flat out lie and if someone says something you get put down simply because you spoke up. People spoke up plenty of times nicely and out of line and it all got them to the same place.

It's really simple dude, they have contacts and we didn't. Mamba was LITERALLY the CHAMPION of what everyone is saying MANNY DID THE BEST AT. Yea Carl didn't do hot in the CGI/S world but he won or placed at every other tournament. PL and Mamba won the biggest DoA 4 tournaments that were going in that games life span and got 0 credit for it.

He's #1 without beating those that beat him 95% of the time. You don't know anything about this because you weren't personally involved. At that time you were too busy being an e-thug and claiming you were the best while barely beating Highguy (no disrespect intended) online. Don't try to come in now and just speculate on things we have experienced first hand in, person, and online over the years, some longer than others.

 

[Rikuto]

BLARGHAGH!

Nothing I've said is false here, Buck'o.

You're the only one defending him for a reason.

And once again, what have I got to be salty about? I've won more regular tournaments than Master has, if you want to get technical, but you're electing to ignore that fact and just call me some random scrub. I'm not even the most accomplished player for crying out loud, but Manny has done more than anyone? Get real...

CGS does not, and has not ever, counted for anything. The players who are not Master are unanimous on this. It's a joke format. The only time I ever mention my own record during the combines is when people try to use it as a weight for their own accomplishments against me, in which I can easily balance the scales with my own.

The only reason Master says it's legit is because it's the only thing making himself recognized. In case you didn't notice, he's kind of an attention whore. The only reason you think it's legit is because you're hoping to get in on some of that bootlicking action. Don't try and deny it.

 

[Chris Harris]

I believe Offbeat was had the best Record. Manny was close though. I remember Manny having 7-3 record when Offbeat had a 9-1.

Also Mamba WON CGS and was the only DoA player that had done so in AMERICA. Not Manny, not me, not Ryan, or Cardell. For Manny to use CGS as leverage is 100% in the wrong because we all know what would have happened if Mamba made a fuss about being the best player lol

 

[RoboJoe]

Things were said when this went down. Just Manny and Morris had all the contacts and were in contact with them while no one else was. Only a very select few ever really had those contacts but they just used them for their own personal gain.

We did tell him to fuck off. Repeatedly. It was a huge deal. The problem is that Morris was the owner of doacentral, and Manny was his chosen champion. Because Morris had first contact with these guys behind CGS, he had Manny's position on lockdown from the start. After that, what could we do?

It didn't matter if we objected. They didn't care, they had all the money and all the cards.

Alright, I see why he couldn't be removed, but why didn't everyone else leave then? You all could have said fuck CGS and made your own tournament instead (like FSD is to DOAC). From what I gather, most people are against Manny, especially the other well known players. I don't know how big a factor the money was to you guys (I know it is for some), but if the reason you went to tournaments is for the love of the game and the competition, you all could have started a new tournament. No 10k pot. No politics. No Manny. If the problem was fear of the turnout for a more low key tournament, then the way I see it is that if all the more "high profile" players went to the little tourney because they just wanted to play competitive doa, then all the other players who just want to play competitive doa will follow because that's where the competition is. All the players who are playing the game to "guess to 10k" could stay at CGS, not that you'd want them at the little tourney anyway.

Whoops, typed this out and didn't hit reply. Better late then never.

 

[Matt Ponton]

Alright, I see why he couldn't be removed, but why didn't everyone else leave then? You all could have said fuck CGS and made your own tournament instead (like FSD is to DOAC). From what I gather, most people are against Manny, especially the other well known players. I don't know how big a factor the money was to you guys (I know it is for some), but if the reason you went to tournaments is for the love of the game and the competition, you all could have started a new tournament. No 10k pot. No politics. No Manny. If the problem was fear of the turnout for a more low key tournament, then the way I see it is that if all the more "high profile" players went to the little tourney because they just wanted to play competitive doa, then all the other players who just want to play competitive doa will follow because that's where the competition is. All the players who are playing the game to "guess to 10k" could stay at CGS, not that you'd want them at the little tourney anyway.

Whoops, typed this out and didn't hit reply. Better late then never.

Tournaments were still being done during the time of CGS, the community didn't stop. All the attention though was on CGS because of all the money it was flaunting - and then it crashed because it couldn't make enough of it. Then all the people who came into the community - the ones who didn't want to go to tournaments without a '10k pot' - left, and we were left with the original 10-15 players.

 

[Rikuto]

It wasn't a small amount of money. If you were a DOA player at the time, you had two options. Fly 600 miles to some tourney where 20 people might show up if you were lucky and win a couple hundred bucks for first....

or do "well enough" that you might get drafted for CGS, and got payed a minimum of 30k per season, per player involved. Anyone who was sane did both, because they needed the experience to try for CGS, and CGS was just too much money to NOT go for.

Before CGS was the CGI events where Master got his 10k handouts just for showing up. That was pretty much highway robbery. The bullshit only escalated from there.

 

[Matt Ponton]

or do "well enough" that you might get drafted for CGS, and got payed a minimum of 30k per season, per player involved. Anyone who was sane did both, because they needed the experience to try for CGS, and CGS was just too much money to NOT go for.

I think I was sane because I opted to receive my college degree instead. But that's just me.

I saw CGS wasn't going to survive two years, and I heard the stories about the players (I believe it was Swoozie who specifically said this?) who didn't bother reading the contracts or debating them because "We're getting paid to play games, man.". I heard those that did attempt better contracts was a reason some players weren't redrafted or were put as taxis.

 

[Relius Starkiller]

The game had at most 30 people playing. . .the SAME 30 people playing. It had literally been the same players playing the game since it came to life outside a few new names (myself included). No one is saying Manny is bad at DoA, we're saying their are people who BEAT HIM CONSISTENTLY that get none of what he gets. That Morris has in fact LIED about him being THE best, not ONE OF THE best. THE best was Mamba and PL hands down in DoA4, Manny had no legit runs in the course of that game he was always 3rd in the line up but treated as if he was the first.

NO OTHER community has pulled any shit like that. Are you seriously going to pretend that it's okay to just flat out lie and if someone says something you get put down simply because you spoke up. People spoke up plenty of times nicely and out of line and it all got them to the same place.

It's really simple dude, they have contacts and we didn't. Mamba was LITERALLY the CHAMPION of what everyone is saying MANNY DID THE BEST AT. Yea Carl didn't do hot in the CGI/S world but he won or placed at every other tournament. PL and Mamba won the biggest DoA 4 tournaments that were going in that games life span and got 0 credit for it.

He's #1 without beating those that beat him 95% of the time. You don't know anything about this because you weren't personally involved. At that time you were too busy being an e-thug and claiming you were the best while barely beating Highguy (no disrespect intended) online. Don't try to come in now and just speculate on things we have experienced first hand in, person, and online over the years, some longer than others.

Mamba was the champion? Mamba was on the championship team, he didn't have the best record. Turns out, yeah Offbeat had the best (I'm taking Sorwah on that).

Lets talk about how much Money Mamba won and lets talk about how many tournaments he held.

A) He won more money than Master, B) He held zero events. Great standard barer for the community that guy.

So thats why he gets nothing and should get nothing because if I'm Team Ninja I'm listening to what Morris is saying, watching what Master is doing and concluding that this is one of the few guys who is


passionate about my game.

PL is a jackass, he fucked himself at CGI2 and when the lights were brightest he laid a goose egg on CGS.

Now you can talk about how I wasn't around for all this but thats not true at all. I was lurking DOAC back in 04, after I got "banned" I was still around. Am I at all of these tournaments? No but everyone here is so goddamn quick to publicly air their laundry that even things I have no experience with first hand I've got information from you directly.

Now I don't know what it "feels" like to be wronged by Master - I think what I'm getting from you guys is a lot of raw emotion. And I think thats coloring the facts and stepping in the way of objectivity.

Take a step back and ask yourself "Why was Master really as successful a public figure as he was?"

It ain't because he cheated, its because hes got a media friendly personality (and he won when it counted.)

Nothing I've said is false here, Buck'o.

You push facts around, you frame situations in a way thats supportive to your argument. Like that Vin Diesel "Tournament" that wasn't even a tournament. Or the CGI's that he himself rigged when CE came out and said he had a hand in picking the players - CGI2 had PL and Offbeat (both of whom he beat) but you never work that in.

So you're not lying, you're. . .playing politics. Good job Rikuto, you're the thing that you hate.

 

[Matt Ponton]

For the record, first season was Offbeat, second season was Mamba. I forget if Mamba went undefeated the second season.

 

[Rikuto]

You push facts around, you frame situations in a way thats supportive to your argument. Like that Vin Diesel "Tournament" that wasn't even a tournament. Or the CGI's that he himself rigged when CE came out and said he had a hand in picking the players - CGI2 had PL and Offbeat (both of whom he beat) but you never work that in.

So you're not lying, you're. . .playing politics. Good job Rikuto, you're the thing that you hate.

Cyber had "just as much say" as Morris did for the first CGI. Morris still had his own agenda to push Manny in this position and he had been doing this since DOA2U and the hidden camera bullshit fiasco with Tom Brady (shall we forget about that too since it's convenient?). Cyber and Master were room mates at this time as well, so you really think it was difficult to keep everything inhouse?

Just what are you trying to play at? The Vin Diesel round robin thing, it doesn't matter what it was, even though round robin is technically still a tournament. The relevance is that it was a high profile event and Manny alone got the exposure. Also Vin did play, even if it was only casuals. He uses Bayman from what I've heard.

 

[Allan Paris]

Oh, and any tournament of his he didn't win, the footage "was lost", and if he won it'd be posted the next day. I believe both Bill and Allan Paris can agree to that. I know that they were recording the grand finals of DID7 on the Hauppauge HD PVR, but please anyone show me where that footage is. The only footage we have is of Allan's friend's camera phone.

I do find this to be very interesting, there was someone recording the finals on a laptop behind the TV we played on. Nothing went wrong with the recording but, somehow it got "lost".

 

[Relius Starkiller]

Also Mamba WON CGS and was the only DoA player that had done so in AMERICA. Not Manny, not me, not Ryan, or Cardell. For Manny to use CGS as leverage is 100% in the wrong because we all know what would have happened if Mamba made a fuss about being the best player lol

Really, is that how it worked? Again, Teams, Franchises, Mamba DIDN"T prove himself the best. Teams man.

Admittedly he did take home the MVP and he beat Offbeat but the final score was 27 (Chimera) -15 (Core), Mamba could have laid a brick and they still would have won.

 

[Relius Starkiller]

Just what are you trying to play at? The Vin Diesel round robin thing, it doesn't matter what it was, even though round robin is technically still a tournament. The relevance is that it was a high profile event and Manny alone got the exposure. Also, Vin did play. He uses Bayman, from what I've heard.

My play is simple, it was a five man impromptu tournament. You think Vin Diesel came out there to play specifically in that tournament? Stop it.

It wasn't a high profile event until VD decided to play - if not for him showing up randomly there would have been no story and you guys would have never given a fuck.

Edit: And CGI2, the one you always seem to reference but not explain. What happened there?

 

[Rikuto]

My play is simple, it was a five man impromptu tournament. You think Vin Diesel came out there to play specifically in that tournament? Stop it.

It wasn't a high profile event until VD decided to play - if not for him showing up randomly there would have been no story and you guys would have never given a fuck.

Nah, I think Master just magically knew about it before anyone else, forgot to share it until the last minute, and was the only one to get the exposure when Vin did appear. That sounds far more legit, you're right.


Since you're asking about CGI2 though, from what i recall Ryan simply lost fair and square under the dumb CGS ruleset unless somebody knows something I don't. Can't complain much there since it was equal shots.

PL on the other hand had his match clearly rigged against him with the Waterfall Valley bridge reset nonsense. Remember these stages were not picked randomly -- they were chosen very specifically. Even if you claim that Manny still had a chance of losing CGI2 thanks to Ryan's presence, it's impossible to deny the producer's direct involvement with the stage selection and how it was beneficial to Master 100%. Cheating is cheating, whether you cheat for an advantage or cheat for a guarantee.

 

[Chris Harris]

Really, is that how it worked? Again, Teams, Franchises, Mamba DIDN"T prove himself the best. Teams man.

Admittedly he did take home the MVP and he beat Offbeat but the final score was 27 (Chimera) -15 (Core), Mamba could have laid a brick and they still would have won.

I don't care if he won or was the best record. HIS TEAM WON.

This is the exact notion we are speaking of, when Manny doesn't win but people like you make excuses for him. It was a TEAM event and in reality he STILL won out because he didn't have to do well which he really didn't in S1 considering who got in.

You are literally defending him for losing right now. You are literally saying "it's not his fault". In any PRO sport (which CGS was at the time), saying "My team" held me back is not an excuse. You still have to be the best for that to work which he never proved. He lost to all the other top players at "major" doa tournaments and outside of CGS he lost those too if they attended. How is he the best? He got in because DoAC was the only main DoA site so they asked the person running the site, who do we need to get for "x" event and he obviously replied MASTER. Now it would be fine but then not one other person got an opportunity for free, they all had to fight through each other constantly to be recognized.

Another fun fact was the CGS monitors were laggy as balls, the format was ass, and since we're making excuses for other players Carl got put up against KING on the bridge stage in a 1 round reset format. . . if that's not BS I'm not sure what is lol

 

[RoboJoe]

Tournaments were still being done during the time of CGS, the community didn't stop. All the attention though was on CGS because of all the money it was flaunting - and then it crashed because it couldn't make enough of it. Then all the people who came into the community - the ones who didn't want to go to tournaments without a '10k pot' - left, and we were left with the original 10-15 players.

Damn, it's depressing how everything goes back to no one wanting to play doa. Annoys me that some people don't even want to let it have the chance to gain some fans. Oh well, can't do anything about that, especially since "politics" seem to lean in that direction.

Anyway, no matter what has happened so far, CGS is in the past. Doa5 is coming and with TKP on life support, FSD is now the de facto main site for doa. If Dahlsim had the power before, now Sorwah and Hubbs do. I doubt either of them wants to promote Manny and I'd like to think that if he or his group caused any shit, he would be thrown out.

 

[Relius Starkiller]

Nah, I think Master just magically knew about it before anyone else, forgot to share it until the last minute, and was the only one to get the exposure when Vin did appear. That sounds far more legit, you're right.

No, I think Master was out there on some CGS shit, an Xbox was set up, Vin is a big video game fan and he found out about a tournament - you think GotFrag or Master himself paid Vin to be there? What kind of exposure did the CGS get from having Master rub shoulders with Vin? What was gained - not a god damn thing.

This happened at a gaming convention. I see sWooZie's ass at these things all the time shout casting and playing SSF4 - why was that situation any different?

Its different because its Master?

I didn't see anyone going in on Mystik's ho ass and I NEVER saw anyone going in on BelleBeezy and she may have bilked the community out of more money and exposure than Master ever did - but no, no, no lets just put the screws to the guy who is still holding tournaments every year.

Lets go in on the guy who cares and seems to be trying the hardest.

Ya know what, we've been at this for the last few hours. I think I'm right, you think you're right.

I'm going to go upload some Lisa Ann PORNO, then I'm going to put up some Pheonix Marie PORNO, then I'm going to transition into some Ebony PORNO with some Nyomi Banxxx PORNO, maybe go spanish and drop some
Rebecca Linares PORNO. Hell. . .I might even fight a nigga or two.

You hard dicks stay up.

 

[Relius Starkiller]

I don't care if he won or was the best record. HIS TEAM WON.

When did I ever defend Master for losing? I'm pointing out that Mamba didn't win. I also pointed out that Master had the second best record during season 1, which isn't a win.

I'm saying you can't call him the CHAMPION if he didn't really win. CGS was about records.

So he won season 2, period.