Say whaaaaat? What is going on here?

BlackxxxMamba

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Lets see here: I wrote character guides, posted strats, did all of Lei Fang's frame data, (Which Morris never used, so that was hours of wasted time) taught people, etc. My point is a lot of people helped contribute to DOAC and the community in general. Whether it is a lot or a little to people, it is something.

DOA4 had a ton of issues. I'm not going to pretend it was this great fighter. We even gave reasons why the game was flawed and tried helping by giving solutions to these problems. It's not as we were mindlessly bashing the game just to do it, we wanted change so the game could be better and more people would play it. And you know what? Even with all it's problems, we still contributed, played the game like crazy, and supported offline DOA tournaments. That's just called having passion for the game you like. Showed DOA tough love at times, but that is just a way to get the message out.

Honestly, all I see is you just trying to get on Manny's good side and to stir up trouble as usual. Why we even acknowledge you is beyond me. Sorry for wasting your time and my own time.
 

Awesmic

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Wat?

I wouldn't say Relius is really debating anything though.... it's more akin to stomping his foot while shouting "That's not right and nothing you say can make it so!" Certain people would like to re-write history I guess, even when all the evidence of the past is playing out yet again before their very eyes. That kind of willful ignorance is downright frightening.

Considering he came into this thread basically gunning for me before I'd even said anything I can only imagine he was just spoiling for a fight from the very start, and it didn't matter what it was about as long as he was arguing about something.
You can rest assured, my post had nothing to do with taking sides.

He asked what everyone learned in this thread, I voluntarily played his game of show-and-tell and got a few laughs while installing Diablo 3. That's all there was to it. I think I got a good idea of the right and wrong being done here by now.

Oh, and for the record, #1, 2, and 3 were serious answers, #4 was to get shameless info, #5 was a shoutout to you fabulous people, #6 was a self-reminder, and #7 and 8 was just random shit I posted in my "improv comedy" moment.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be sleeping with my Christie doll in peace...
 

Berzerk!

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Whats stopping you guys from forming an ACTUAL coalition, with the goal of drawing Team Ninja's attention to the situation. Mamba won WCG once, grab Offbeat who won in 07, PL who won evo and have sorwah represent them when talking to Team Ninja. Do what Master and Morris are doing, except with more people and more "credibility".

An interesting point among the deluge.
 

Raansu

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DoA4 sucked

DoAC is dead

People hate manny

Relius is back on the ignore list.

The horse was beaten to death years ago...leave it in the grave with DoAC as this argument will just go full circle for another 30 pages like every single argument like this did on DoAC.

TKP is a dead site, FSD is not. The better players are here, FSD has clearly made more of an influence on TN then master/tkp has. So how about we leave the past in the past, forget about that garbage called DoA4 and do what this site was meant to do which is to reboot the community and play better doa games like doa++ and 3.1 and push to have doa5 be a solid game.

So how about we just delete this thread and put that doac shit back into the grave?
 

Berzerk!

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Seconded. Well said Raansu. Not that there werent some good points of history raised but, Let's "press forward".
 

grap3fruitman

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Why is it that every time someone throws a little bit of grief your way you end up questioning their intelligence?
Because that's the issue I run into. You do these mental gymnastics when arguing with people and completely jump the rails and misinterpret everything said.

I questioned your reading comprehension, you wrote a wall of text and asked me what games I played competitively. What did that at all have to do with what I said? Where was I talking about being a competitive player or question your ability to play? You completely jumped the rails and started arguing for the sake of arguing.

Rikito said he joined a competitive DOA site to talk with other people who are interested in competitive DOA. Your response is that Rikuto wants to fuck the entire DOA community over. What? How the hell did you jump to that conclusion? You take these leaps in logic and just argue nonsensically. Besides your apparent anger issues, you have some form of ADHD or something because most of the time you're arguing, it's not at all in response to what was actually said.
 

Relius Starkiller

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Because that's the issue I run into. You do these mental gymnastics when arguing with people and completely jump the rails and misinterpret everything said.

I questioned your reading comprehension, you wrote a wall of text and asked me what games I played competitively. What did that at all have to do with what I said? Where was I talking about being a competitive player or question your ability to play? You completely jumped the rails and started arguing for the sake of arguing.

Rikito said he joined a competitive DOA site to talk with other people who are interested in competitive DOA. Your response is that Rikuto wants to fuck the entire DOA community over. What? How the hell did you jump to that conclusion? You take these leaps in logic and just argue nonsensically. Besides your apparent anger issues, you have some form of ADHD or something because most of the time you're arguing, it's not at all in response to what was actually said.

Grap3, you took that line out of context - I went on to detail in that post how what you were saying about me was false. It took you a full day to come back at me with this drivel and all I have to do is link back to the page where I explained in detail my explanation to the question posed.

How about instead of claiming my reading comprehension skills are off, you prove it? WE ARE ON A FORUM. Break it down for the world to see because other wise you're just slinging baseless accusations.

Anger issues? I've seen you post messages over the years about wishing Master would DIE. Hell, the genesis of this whole conversation was you calling another human being a "pile of human trash" - and this guy has never done anything to hurt you personally.

Where did I say Rikuto wanted to fuck the whole community up? He certainly doesn't think casuals belong here and would rather they have their own separate site but that makes it more difficult for those kinds of players to build relationships with the better players (I.e the ones who will help them get better, the ones who will openly encourage them to come to offline events.). Thats hurting the community - and if you're talking about that rant I went on about him saying "Fuck the people who don't agree with him." that was me making light of the situation but it isn't far from the truth at all.

Why did I question your tournament experience? The same reason Rikuto felt it necessary to bring up mine. Rikuto brought up mine to attack my credibility and, in a round about way, my knowledge of the game (Because if you don't have a tournament history, you know nothing of the game right?)

The question was asked to get a response similar to the one you gave me - to draw attention to the preposterous accusation (By Rikuto, leveled at me in this thread) that your tournament history has anything to do with your knowledge or competitive will/desire.

A professor once told me that knowledge is like a constellation of stars and intelligence is the ability to connect distance points between one another - you can't connect the dots very well home slice.
 

CyberEvil

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Rikuto teaches people quite a bit. He doesn't want casuals to have their own site. He wants the folks looking up DoA hentai fanfics and running dating RPGs to have their own site. I'm inclined to agree. The people that have no intention to learn the game should not be here. New or bad players that want to learn have never been turned away from being helped to my knowledge.
 

Relius Starkiller

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He doesn't want casuals to have their own site. He wants the folks looking up DoA hentai fanfics and running dating RPGs to have their own site. I'm inclined to agree. The people that have no intention to learn the game should not be here. New or bad players that want to learn have never been turned away from being helped to my knowledge.

Really now, because he said this.


Competition without integrity is not competition. I came here to compete and anyone who didn't is in the wrong place. They can either go to DOAW or go suffocate in the endless void of broken dreams with the rest of the Dallas clique.

Thats the wrong attitude, I'm not so certain that every player whoever attended a DOA event came there to compete. I know more than a few, yourself included CE, who was just there. Not to win money, knowing you wouldn't but just to be in that environment with people you like.

Rikuto is taking an anti-social approach to this impasse. Proper moderation is all it would take to cull the bullshit that happened at DOAC. . .then again, I don't remember the fan-fic crowd posting doodles of Hayate and Bayman on a fishing trip in the general discussion forum - so our co-existence with them is only a problem in principle from what I can tell.
 

Rikuto

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Get thicker skin. You've in so many words said that you win on counters, I point it out and now I'm attacking you.

Like Mystiks dad told me after they got me kicked out of buy.com for telling his little girl shes a BJ queen.

"Just own it."

Edit: I didn't use the words BJ queen, I just asked nicely is it true you sucked some guys cock to get onto CGI. Perfectly legitimate question considering that I've been telling people that Offbeat and Dave ran a train on her in June of 07. . . .I also tell people her tits are too big.

I wasn't crying "ooooh he attacked me", just highlighting your intentions for Awesmic since he appears to have trouble understanding why people do the things that they do sometimes.

Yea, I win from holds because Bayman's strike game is a joke and pretty much only exists to annoy my opponent into eating an OH. People who are disciplined against this have a much easier time against me. I have no trouble admitting this, its a character fallacy that my playstyle evolved with, so I found ways to turn its weaknesses into strengths against a lot of people. You wanna attack me for it, go ahead, but even if you can beat it sometimes it works pretty good on most people. Yes, it was my choice to play him and I'm not using that as any excuse for ever losing, but it is the correct way to play him and I'm not going to apologize for doing it.

For the rest of the time, I've got Leon which you never really played against much nor do I have any desire to go back and re-learn. Leon was good enough to take down Offbeat in legit competition and rape master in that terrible CGS format once he pissed me off enough that I just went berserk on him.

Leon was pretty bad against Genfu however, as most of his viable ranged lead-ins to big damage were all high and Genfu laughs at highs from range. It took me a while to really understand how and why people like PL and NinjaCW could walk all over me with Genfu but not with hayate/hitomi, but once I understood that it made a lot of sense. If we were all still playing the game.... hell maybe I could have come up with better alternative to fighting them and maybe get the upper hand, and maybe not. We'll never know because none of us care to do it.

I'm content with being seen as "just under" the big 4 by most people. I'm content with the title of Mid Boss (see the avatar?). I like my niche, I LOVE playing the characters that I do and being unique with it, and I know how to use them correctly. I regret not being picked for CGS, but only because I did not push myself hard enough to be worth dropping someone else (some may remember I got into a big fight with Dave Geffon and went on a drunken rant about him picking up Dave Cheppelle again instead of Rabies, Taikou, or myself). I do NOT regret failing to suck someones dick to get there though.

If I ever achieve anything like that in life I want it to be done honestly and with the good will of others who do things honestly, and with the fear and respect of those who don't. I don't want it to be from doing what Master does, because that will never give me what it is I actually want.

Now you can argue the details of what it is you think master did or did not do, and how much hatred is deserved, but the facts are that he is where he is because he is dishonest and he is still doing these things to this day. I look down on that, and so does pretty much everyone else. Why would I ever want to be like him?

Thats the wrong attitude, I'm not so certain that every player whoever attended a DOA event came there to compete. I know more than a few, yourself included CE, who was just there. Not to win money, knowing you wouldn't but just to be in that environment with people you like.

Rikuto is taking an anti-social approach to this impasse. Proper moderation is all it would take to cull the bullshit that happened at DOAC. . .then again, I don't remember the fan-fic crowd posting doodles of Hayate and Bayman on a fishing trip in the general discussion forum - so our co-existence with them is only a problem in principle from what I can tell.

Well, now you run into the ambiguous definition of casual vs competitive. As Cyber said, I don't think people who are only interested in complimenting each other on their hair and writing fanfics have any business here. That domain is clearly meant for DOAW.

If a person doesn't have a lot of time to go to tournaments or play the game, but they still want to maybe get a couple of pointers on it or just see some cool shit, I believe they are entirely welcome here. This is an information pool and a community for anyone who treads the path of competition -- even a little. On DOAW I assure you there are people who have absolutely no intention of learning anything, however, and they would just try to act like they knew what they were talking about and start fights with vets whilst being totally ignorant. We don't need that shit.

And yes, I absolutely try to teach people. I love mentoring and explaining things, along with talking theory fighter. Most people reject my offers for learning specific characters because it just doesn't fit their playstyle. When I played DOA2U and even into 4 I tried to get an apprentice or two for Bayman. No one had enough drive to take it seriously, so that went nowhere.

When SCV came out, I probably offered to teach Astaroth to like ten different people, while showing them how ridiculously good he could be, and all of them turned me down because they didn't want to play as the big guy. Laughably, Lopedo was the ONLY ONE who actually payed any attention and he just ended up mimic'ing exactly what I do instead of asking questions.

The offers remain open to anyone who cares for SCV, and I'll be happy to help people out in DOA 5 provided it's good enough that I can stomach it.
 

Awesmic

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I wasn't crying "ooooh he attacked me", just highlighting your intentions for Awesmic since he appears to have trouble understanding why people do the things that they do sometimes.
Since my name was brought up, what intentions?
 

Rikuto

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Since my name was brought up, what intentions?

Just saying that you seem to want to empathize with people who are not necessarily "in the right" quite often. General empathy is good of course, because it helps you understand the world better, but not when it's displayed in a way that might be misconstrued as supporting what someone is doing.

What Relius came in here to do, especially in regards to myself, was frankly a dick move and on top of that, he was just plain wrong. Giving a guy a compliment or encouragement under those circumstances probably isn't going to be seen well by whoever it is he is arguing with (in this particular case, everyone).

Of course we all know you, so we take it with a grain of salt, but still....

I'm more of the mind that such empathy should be used to privately talk people out of being stupid. This gets them out of hot water, and keeps you out of it as well. By giving someone open support, you actually just encourage them to keep arguing further.
 

Relius Starkiller

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What Relius came in here to do, especially in regards to myself, was frankly a dick move and on top of that, he was just plain wrong.

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What Relius came in here to do was put Grap3fruitman on blast - your name got dragged into it and if I had known it would blow up like this I would have done it again because its what I truly feel and it got a lot of information out there that I wasn't privy to.


Nothing thats really turned my world upside down but information that makes me empathize with the situation you people are in but, as I said before, its totally your doing because whether it was by hook or crook Master and Morris worked hard to get to where they are and if you want to take what they have for yourself then go ahead and do it.

If a person doesn't have a lot of time to go to tournaments or play the game, but they still want to maybe get a couple of pointers on it or just see some cool shit, I believe they are entirely welcome here. This is an information pool and a community for anyone who treads the path of competition -- even a little. On DOAW I assure you there are people who have absolutely no intention of learning anything, however, and they would just try to act like they knew what they were talking about and start fights with vets whilst being totally ignorant. We don't need that shit.

This is not about casuals and hard-cores, this is about maturity. I'd imagine that more than a few of the fan-fic's over at DOAW are under the age of 18. So if a 14 or 15 yearold comes into a thread, makes a comment about competitive DOA that isn't exactly accurate its up to you to be the adult in the situation and not try to bury the kid 6 feet under.

But the point so moot because DOAC had a reputation and said reputation carried over here.

At this point I think everything that needs to be said has been said.

But I will leave with this - Manny "DOAMaster" Da Santis. . .or whatever his last name is. . .the champ. . .da man. . . is the greatest son of a bitch that ever lived. Master, please keep making all of the money and please keep putting it down on Vanessa like Offbeat couldn't (Which is why she dumped his Canadian ass.). Master, if you could somehow, find it in your heart, to get me on television, oh my god, it would just be great for the DOA community.

All of these people are haters, you're the Champion my nikka, don't let em tell ya different.

Also, if somehow you could tuck me into your carry on bag and take me to E3 with you, I'd be very pleased.

Your friend Relius J. Starkiller. . . .

P.S. . .I changed my mind. I'm going to go jack off.
 

x Sypher x

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Master, please keep making all of the money and please keep putting it down on Vanessa like Offbeat couldn't (Which is why she dumped his Canadian ass.).

From what I heard there was some drama between Vanessa and Mystik that caused the breakup between them, something about Mystik taking Offbeat from her. I don't know all the details but it was mentioned on the 2nd season of WCG Ultimate Gamer when they were both on the show. But I presume you're just trolling.
 

Rikuto

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... you sound like you respect the guy for where he is. Why does this sit well with you?

Earn : to receive as return for effort and especially for work done or services rendered

Steal : to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as a habitual or regular practice


Can you see where I'm going with this? One is right and respectable by honest people. One is wrong and is not. You're basically saying it's OK to hold him to higher standard because he put effort into being a crook. That's not how it works.


Nothing thats really turned my world upside down but information that makes me empathize with the situation you people are in but, as I said before, its totally your doing because whether it was by hook or crook Master and Morris worked hard to get to where they are and if you want to take what they have for yourself then go ahead and do it.

If I do, it will be through honest conventions. Don't misunderstand my intentions on that. If he wants to play dirty thats on his conscience entirely though.


This is not about casuals and hard-cores, this is about maturity. I'd imagine that more than a few of the fan-fic's over at DOAW are under the age of 18. So if a 14 or 15 yearold comes into a thread, makes a comment about competitive DOA that isn't exactly accurate its up to you to be the adult in the situation and not try to bury the kid 6 feet under.

The way things are now, we have to go out of our way to be dicks. If both sites were combined, we would be having that kind of thing thrust upon us on a regular basis until we were forced to be dicks. Why not give their own site with people who share their interests, and our own site with people who share ours? I don't think you are understanding that we have absolutely nothing in common with each other besides the DOA name. Frankly a lot of people find the kind of activity that goes on at DOAW flatout creepy and don't want those people anywhere near them.

The few who wish to crossover do and are satisfied. We don't consider each other the same type of community at all though.

But the point so moot because DOAC had a reputation and said reputation carried over here.

I think this is a misconception your part. DOAC was run by morris. TKP therefore got that reputation, and combined with the actions of Master and people like Xino, ensured that it died out. It was a bad reputation, regardless of whether or not you personally liked it.

A lot of the people who came here did so specifically because it was NOT doac, tkp, or doaw.

That's the draw, really.

From what I heard there was some drama between Vanessa and Mystik that caused the breakup between them, something about Mystik taking Offbeat from her. I don't know all the details but it was mentioned on the 2nd season of WCG Ultimate Gamer when they were both on the show. But I presume you're just trolling.

Why is this kind of stupid shit even being said on a show that is theoretically about video games and the top individuals who play them as a competitive sport? God.... television audiences are dumb.
 

x Sypher x

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Why is this kind of stupid shit even being said on a show that is theoretically about video games and the top individuals who play them as a competitive sport? God.... television audiences are dumb.

Beats me, but for some reason Mystik felt the need to confront Vanessa about the issue on live television, and it sort of carried on for a little while. Oh and yes, when it comes to entertainment in the form of certain live TV shows, audiences can be pretty dumb.
 
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