Weirdest Online Moments

[David Gregg]

I mean, you don't have to be all that good just to get a win. You can suck with a character BAD and still get winstreaks.

In my book there are 2 different extremes of the player spectrum in DOA:
1) The player who utilizes a wide variety of a character's attacks/throws/holds for the sake of showing off to the other player that they know most of their character's moves and know when/how to pull them off. I call these the "flashy" players which looks great during fights but isn't necessarily effective especially at high-level play when every move counts.
2) The player who knows what attacks/throws/holds their characters have that will yield the highest amount of damage and will rely almost entirely on these during fights. Now granted it requires playing mind games with the opponent with some other less damaging moves scattered in here and there to prevent being too predictable. Based on what I've seen this is often an effective approach even if games "appear" to look repetitive. These are the players who are often called "spammers" by opponents who have (most likely) lost.
3) Then you have players who fall somewhere along that spectrum.

Keeping that in mind, what it comes down to (and where all this debate is coming from) is how [insert player's name] believes the game should be played (and clearly we all have different views). So this whole calling each other "bad players" and "spammers" needs to stop as it belittles a players effort and skill. If what you're doing is working for you (and/or you're enjoying it) keep doing it and no one should be criticizing you for it.

 

[Brute]

Fight me long enough and I'll use almost all of Ryu's moves, because almost all are useful (almost; 44P, 33K, 4T and 1T... not so much), and I do know how/when to use most of his tools. However, certain ones are more frequently applicable, and I've spent a lot of time trying to figure out how precisely to apply his cool-looking stuff. So generally, I will use those more frequently than others.

 

[David Gregg]

Fight me long enough and I'll use almost all of Ryu's moves, because almost all are useful (almost; 44P, 33K, 4T and 1T... not so much), and I do know how/when to use most of his tools. However, certain ones are more frequently applicable, and I've spent a lot of time trying to figure out how precisely to apply his cool-looking stuff. So generally, I will use those more frequently than others.

Yeah based on what I've seen in your vids you're somewhere in the middle of the spectrum in my book. I was just trying to get Argentus (and well actually everyone else doing this) to stop criticizing playing styles that he doesn't agree with.

 

[MuMuGuy]

With no sarcasm, this is how I see it.

It's why, when I see people showing off the hatemail calling them spammers, all I can say is "well, ARE you a spammer?"

I mean, you don't have to be all that good just to get a win. You can suck with a character BAD and still get winstreaks.

Take this with a grain of salt since I'm a DOA newbie, but I don't see why there is such vitriol towards spamming. The point of every game is to win. As long as someone isn't knowingly abusing a glitch or using an external means to affect the game (ie. lag switch), one should do whatever it takes to win. If the opponent keeps falling for the same move(s), why should a person stop using it? Unless there is a prohibitive amount of latency or a move/character is Ivan Ooze from the Power Rangers fighting game broken, spammers should be an easy victory. I do get annoyed when I lose to spammers in any fighting game, but one only has themselves to blame for losing to spam.


Spammers aren't always unskilled scrubs. Someone could be trying out an alt online or be a newbie. Heck, someone could be trying out tech to see if it's viable. Even if someone is indeed an unskilled scrub, people should just keep their dissatisfaction to themselves and decline a rematch if it's that annoying. Whenever someone sends hate mail, it just acknowledges that the spammer successfully trolled the other player, intentional or not.

 

[Deleted member 473]

Take this with a grain of salt since I'm a DOA newbie, but I don't see why there is such vitriol towards spamming. The point of every game is to win. As long as someone isn't knowingly abusing a glitch or using an external means to affect the game (ie. lag switch), one should do whatever it takes to win. If the opponent keeps falling for the same move(s), why should a person stop using it? Unless there is a prohibitive amount of latency or a move/character is Ivan Ooze from the Power Rangers fighting game broken, spammers should be an easy victory. I do get annoyed when I lose to spammers in any fighting game, but one only has themselves to blame for losing to spam.


Spammers aren't always unskilled scrubs. Someone could be trying out an alt online or be a newbie. Heck, someone could be trying out tech to see if it's viable. Even if someone is indeed an unskilled scrub, people should just keep their dissatisfaction to themselves and decline a rematch if it's that annoying. Whenever someone sends hate mail, it just acknowledges that the spammer successfully trolled the other player, intentional or not.

 

[MuMuGuy]

Ivan is vicious no matter what he says or does.

 

[Argentus]

Take this with a grain of salt since I'm a DOA newbie, but I don't see why there is such vitriol towards spamming. The point of every game is to win. As long as someone isn't knowingly abusing a glitch or using an external means to affect the game (ie. lag switch), one should do whatever it takes to win. If the opponent keeps falling for the same move(s), why should a person stop using it? Unless there is a prohibitive amount of latency or a move/character is Ivan Ooze from the Power Rangers fighting game broken, spammers should be an easy victory. I do get annoyed when I lose to spammers in any fighting game, but one only has themselves to blame for losing to spam.


Spammers aren't always unskilled scrubs. Someone could be trying out an alt online or be a newbie. Heck, someone could be trying out tech to see if it's viable. Even if someone is indeed an unskilled scrub, people should just keep their dissatisfaction to themselves and decline a rematch if it's that annoying. Whenever someone sends hate mail, it just acknowledges that the spammer successfully trolled the other player, intentional or not.

I'm well aware of all the whys and hows, and while it bores me, I don't have too much of an issue with spamming itself, BECAUSE i'm aware of all the whys and hows it can occur.

It's more the fact that I get irritated when people sit there in denial, trying to say to my face "This isn't spam" as they spam. For good or for bad, spam is still spam, and I'd just like spammers to own up to it instead of trying dig for any excuse to claim otherwise. I know I'm on thin ice, being a mila player, but at least with her, I'm not actually trying to do the mount tackle, just everything falls into it lol. I can't really qualify that as spamming, though I know it may seem like it can be. Different from actually trying to tackle over and over, which is spam, and I try not to do out of preference.

It's like, when I bitch about being juggled (which I do hate, solely because there's nothing you can do but wait once caught in one), whoever i'm playing/bitching to will usually try to counter that me tackling with mila is the same...when no, no it's fuggin NOT, because you can break out of a combo grab, or at least try to, whereas with a juggle...all you can do is sit and wait. What I mean is that, spammers should just admit they spam, own up to it, instead of trying to make excuses and wind up as hypocrites.

 

[P1naatt1ke1tt0]

I just watched Jamie Oliver on a TV-show. What a spammer. He sliced up a cucumber and a long paprika, in like 10 seconds, but all he did was the same move with the knife over and over again! Why couldn't he finish the veggies with some style and add some variety to his moves?!

 

[David Gregg]

I just watched Jamie Oliver on a TV-show. What a spammer. He sliced up a cucumber and a long paprika, in like 10 seconds, but all he did was the same move with the knife over and over again! Why couldn't he finish the veggies with some style and add some variety to his moves?!

 

[Argentus]

You like him missing the point...again? Damn that Alzheimers.

 

[Juihau]

I know I'm on thin ice, being a mila player, but at least with her, I'm not actually trying to do the mount tackle, just everything falls into it lol. I can't really qualify that as spamming, though I know it may seem like it can be. Different from actually trying to tackle over and over, which is spam, and I try not to do out of preference.

Okay, this kinda makes me question. Exactly what do you even mean by spam? It seems like it'd be obvious. It's just doing the same thing over and over, right? But that sentence makes it seem like it's only spamming if the conscious intent is there, in which case one could easily argue that perhaps they're not necessarily trying to spam, but rather it's just an unconscious habit.
And more than that, you constantly make it seem like it's an inherently bad thing. Sure, if you can consistently beat someone while making it look flashy, I'd say you're better at the game than they are. However, lack of variety certainly doesn't equate to lack of skill, y'know?

 

[Argentus]

Okay, this kinda makes me question. Exactly what do you even mean by spam? It seems like it'd be obvious. It's just doing the same thing over and over, right? But that sentence makes it seem like it's only spamming if the conscious intent is there, in which case one could easily argue that perhaps they're not necessarily trying to spam, but rather it's just an unconscious habit.
And more than that, you constantly make it seem like it's an inherently bad thing. Sure, if you can consistently beat someone while making it look flashy, I'd say you're better at the game than they are. However, lack of variety certainly doesn't equate to lack of skill, y'know?

Its like you said. Just doing one thing over and over. Like what I'm saying is...if I'm trying to mount tackle over and over, that's spamming. But if I'm just doing my counters to counter an opponents spam....her counters lead straight into the mount tackle. So I can't really say I'm spamming the mount tackle when I'm just countering spam. That's a gray muddy area for defining spam, so I just don't count it. Like, I could never do an input for her mount tackle, but still wind up doing mount tackles over and over just because i tend to counter predictable opponents a lot. I can't honestly say I was spamming the mount tackle there.

And it's not an inherently bad thing...it's just an inherently boring thing (monotony, tedium, etc). Whats inherently bad is people who do spam...trying to argue that somehow it's not spamming, just because it gets them a win. That kind of logic doesn't make ANY sense.

but yeah. I definitely rank people who win without just spamming the "maximized damage" stuff, way the hell higher, as in, way better at the game, than people who do.

 

[David Gregg]

You like him missing the point...again? Damn that Alzheimers.

Like I said before, everyone has different views on how they think the game should be played. This whole "calling out the spammers" thing is getting old. Not to mention the word "spam" is clearly subjective here as you yourself have to even justify why you're not one.

My point: It's fine that you don't agree with how someone plays but to try and belittle them b/c you think they aren't playing the game "right" is why I feel the need to even continue this endless debate.

 

[Nameless Sama]

I love spammers they can train me to get counter these certain attacks. Its your fault if your lose you are the player if you are to dumb to notice it then dont play this game. It so annoying to hear people the same message. " Spammer" "fucking noob " tzzz lmao . When you are agry then be agry to you not to the spammer lol.

 

[UpSideDownGRUNT]

The only spam I hate is stuff like Helena's blender cuz half the time you can't do anything after that shit, so blender spammers get no respect from me. Especially since both my characters are slow so it's even more difficult to avoid since it interrupts half my stuff, My Ein/Busa just can't do anything against it.

Often times, I feel like I'm like this trying to get out of it lol

 

[Nameless Sama]

My tip is Upisde. Save such matches against helena upload it here to get feedbaks from pro helena players or watch it and notice the movements. Learn the movements from helena. Go practice and learn how you counter these attacks. 60 % of the attacks I can counter now from good pro helena players!

 

[Brute]

Often times, I feel like I'm like this trying to get out of it lol
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Sometimes the blender turns me into a little, frustrated loli-girl, too.

 

[Argentus]

Like I said before, everyone has different views on how they think the game should be played. This whole "calling out the spammers" thing is getting old. Not to mention the word "spam" is clearly subjective here as you yourself have to even justify why you're not one.

My point: It's fine that you don't agree with how someone plays but to try and belittle them b/c you think they aren't playing the game "right" is why I feel the need to even continue this endless debate.

Like I said before, everyone has different views on how they think the game should be played. This whole "calling out the spammers" thing is getting old. Not to mention the word "spam" is clearly subjective here as you yourself have to even justify why you're not one.

My point: It's fine that you don't agree with how someone plays but to try and belittle them b/c you think they aren't playing the game "right" is why I feel the need to even continue this endless debate.

So long as they don't try to say that they AREN'T spamming when they clearly are. That's my only real issue.

 

[Aerospark]

So today I actually joined a lobby for the first time in about a week or so, & there's this dude who was bad mouthing this obvious person knew to Dead or Alive since they didn't look like they had any experience. While the entire time he was playing, he was saying "wow awful, holdable, predictable" until he won. So when it was my turn to fight, & I go to choose Ayane and he's like "wow look Ayane a shitty character" so I eye rolled & saw he was using Kasumi so I used Kasumi as well. When we started the match, I unleashed a 12 hit combo and he's all "This isn't a competition. You play this like it's a competition" as I'm beating him senseless with the character's he's using and when I won a near flawless victory he's like "You're not amazing at this you know" and I left the lobby because I had an invitation to another lobby so at least I got to enjoy kicking his ass. e3eb

God, the shit I get greeted to whenever I play online.

 

[RoboJoe]

Since I never play online (excluding right now) I just got my first Gen Fu hate. Some girl got butthurt that I beat everyone in the lobby and starts calling Gen Fu cheap and picks Alpha, lol! Since I never get hatemail, I feel proud of myself.

EDIT: lol the girl is now bitching about some other guy. Must be on the rag.
EDIT2: Now some guy is white knighting her. This shit is hilarious. Is this what you all deal with everyday?