The DOA5U "Casual" thread. ^__^

Forlorn Penguin · Jun 17, 2014

It would be sweet if Jintsuriki was added to the BGM along with Nyotengu's theme in the Nyotengu DLC pack.

Yurlungur · Jun 17, 2014

nope, she's not out yet that person has a japanese account

Awesmic · Jun 17, 2014

Argentus said:
I come across that complaint so much.even in other fighters because DOA has trained me to counter and punish. Using Taskmaster, Hakumen, Sheeva, etc , bait counter punish and then people send me hate mail. Usually something like "stop spamming/mashing counters!" Which is a bit of a paradox since it can't happen unless they are mashing the attack that ibam countering.... but other times I get hat email with people getting mad at me for not using combos and saying I suck for not using them. My response is "combos would have obviously been overkill against you"

But yeah. People rage because they can't face roll a combo to win so they claim counters are cheap/broken/for scrubs/what have you. That's the main complaint against DOA that I come across.

@Argentus...

The problems you have lie within the players themselves, not within the game itself. Sore losers and elitists are a dime a dozen in any online community, and 8 times out of 10 you'll be seeing them in scores in many, many public lobbies, especially if you so much as significantly outplay them more often than they do.

At the same time, there are exceptions to the rule that can be talked to or reasoned with. The hard part is finding those people and recommending them to the site where there are like-minded competitive individuals in the community, 'cause you'll have to do a lot of digging through the dirt to find those diamonds in the rough, so to speak.

The best solution is to weed those people out and let the right people in, as opposed to blaming the game.

werewolfgold · Jun 17, 2014

Brute said:
I thought she didn't come with a music theme?

What a tease it would be to use that track from Story Mode in the trailer but not allow us to use it as a character theme in-game.

I can't watch videos right now, but if her theme is what I think it is, it's always been available in the game from the start (hence why it wasn't "added"). It's called "Collapse".

Aerospark · Jun 17, 2014

Kodachi said:

Haha she's beating up Bayman in the place where she killed his crew and almost killed him.

Jyakotu · Jun 17, 2014

Well, it's nice to know Phase-4 has 7 default costumes, compared to Marie Rose, who only had 4.

Aerospark · Jun 17, 2014

Jyakotu said:
Well, it's nice to know Phase-4 has 7 default costumes, compared to Marie Rose, who only had 4.

She has 6. All of them recolors.

Brute · Jun 17, 2014

Aerospark said:
She has 6. All of them recolors.

Two of them being recolors of one of Ayane's costumes, and two of them being another two of them but just sans one item, lol

Whatever happened to "Press X/Square for alt costume options"? Why do we gotta have a whole new costume for every fucking reskin or accessory?

Oh, that's right. We need to reserve those buttons for panty toggles.

gfdi

CyberEvil · Jun 17, 2014

I just like the fact that she's basically an unholy combination of Kasumi and the Alchemists from NG3. There's even a weird, alchemy-like effect at the end of her cliffhanger throw.

Aspect · Jun 17, 2014

Is Phase 4's face the same as Kasumi's? I read on the doa wiki that it was a younger kasumi face but I haven't seen a side by side shot yet. I just noticed the eyes are diff I think...

Argentus · Jun 17, 2014

Aerospark said:
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Wow they sure did focus on those boobs

Top right looks like a paper bag on her head.

Can that please be her Halloween costume?

Brute said:
Two of them being recolors of one of Ayane's costumes, and two of them being another two of them but just sans one item, lol

Whatever happened to "Press X/Square for alt costume options"? Why do we gotta have a whole new costume for every fucking reskin or accessory?

Oh, that's right. We need to reserve those buttons for panty toggles.

gfdi

Hey.

It also toggles bras.

But I seriously wanna petition tn to go back and give customization options to all the outfits that should have them. L1 should remove milas apron like it does her other accessories. I wanna be able to take off her other hats besides the diner cap and mma headgear. Etc.

Every outfit should have l1 toggle secondary clothes, r1 toggle accessories, r2 toggle hair. Every outfit that has this details should have the option to toggle them off.

Aspect · Jun 17, 2014

Argentus said:
Top right looks like a paper bag on her head.

Can that please be her Halloween costume?

Hey.

It also toggles bras.

But I seriously wanna petition tn to go back and give customization options to all the outfits that should have them. L1 should remove milas apron like it does her other accessories. I wanna be able to take off her other hats besides the diner cap and mma headgear. Etc.

Every outfit should have l1 toggle secondary clothes, r1 toggle accessories, r2 toggle hair. Every outfit that has this details should have the option to toggle them off.

secondary clothes?

Xhominid The Demon Within · Jun 17, 2014

werewolfgold said:
It's all in the marketing and presentation. Lots of fighting games have some amount of fanservice (usually limited to a few characters). But, outside of the flat-out character design of some characters, it's not really played up or talked about as a main feature. Yes, in TTT2, VF4-5 and SC3-5 you can dress up pretty much everyone in a skimpy manner if you so choose (*cough* everyone) but that's pretty much only through customize mode. I'm sure the SC devs never wanted half of the nonsense that actually ended up coming out of SC5's customization mode.

However, DOA goes beyond this. It was certainly no accident that the costume selector focuses on the chest area (also see Aerospark's post on the Phase 4 costume bundle icon). Other games certainly don't release marketing videos of their "movie mode" where your (female) character is crawling on the ground, sweating, and breathing heavily while you take pictures. Did I mention "Private Paradise"? They didn't have to make that a thing for this game. They don't have to release next to no merchandise/goods that don't involve bikini wall scrolls and boob pads for their characters...you know, because people might be fans of characters for other reasons...or fans of male characters.

And then take a look at their main site. While other games would have normal screens and vids of...you know...people beating each other up, one would be hard-pressed to look at the DOA5/U screenshot or vid pages and get the impression that this is a fighting game. They didn't have to make sure that when there's a female character involved on their site, you get a nice cheesecake shot of them lying on the ground defeated. That was calculated. Soulcalibur doesn't do that. Tekken doesn't do that. VF doesn't do that. Street Fighter doesn't do that. Not even MK(9) with its completely questionable female attire choices did that. Other games certainly don't have OMG/Legend settings for boob movement. Or where every other costume bundle is "hot" or "sexy" or "naughty" or "dokidoki (heartbeat)".

It's not by accident that DOA happens to be thought of in a certain way even though other games have some manner of fanservice. DOA wants to make sure it's at the forefront. Maybe they originally thought about it not being that way, but they caved. And these are the consequences. Can people be faulted for being superficial and not looking behind all of that stuff (even though TN reeeeeally wants you to know about it) to see the cool fighting system? Perhaps a little. But, let's be for real here. TN is not some innocent party haplessly criticized by the masses. This is what they wanted. They have to take the good (perhaps DLC revenue) with the bad (that kind of reputation among the gaming scene).

Perhaps true FGC-ers only do care about the gameplay and its perceived flaws. That's certainly not 100% though, and that really doesn't help with people passing by not affiliated in depth with the hardcore community.

You most likely are right. I'm not gonna act like that they aren't marketing the game this way, hell, I stated plenty that they are one of the few studios that KNOWS and DOESN'T CARE and I wouldn't want it any other way.

But as it is stated, I don't believe that the fanservice is still the root cause as it once was anymore, that's the point I'm making.

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Brute said:
Two of them being recolors of one of Ayane's costumes, and two of them being another two of them but just sans one item, lol

Whatever happened to "Press X/Square for alt costume options"? Why do we gotta have a whole new costume for every fucking reskin or accessory?

Oh, that's right. We need to reserve those buttons for panty toggles.

gfdi

Hey man...those panty toggles are the business(and funny, they always been there, I guess the recolors are just too much now from which, I do agree)

CyberEvil said:
I just like the fact that she's basically an unholy combination of Kasumi and the Alchemists from NG3. There's even a weird, alchemy-like effect at the end of her cliffhanger throw.

Hey, the Alchemists are badasses and if they really are connected to DOATEC...

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Brute · Jun 17, 2014

There's no singe-reason for DOA's current reputation regarding how competitive it is as viewed by outside players. It's a complex issue with lots of variables and nuances.

But honestly, the topic has been beaten to death and isn't really a "Casual DOA" discussion anyway. So let's just put it to the side for now, shall we?

Project Bokuho · Jun 17, 2014

Wow, it's like a huge war happened here!

Kodachi said:

Fantastic!

Awesmic said:
It's Sango in her period.

Leave Sango alone

Aerospark · Jun 17, 2014

Project Bokuho said:
Leave Sango alone

I want Sango to throw her Hiraikotsu at Gen Fu

FatalxInnocence · Jun 17, 2014

Guys, Nyotengu takes re-colours to a whole new level ( I think she has like 5-6 re-colours on her second costume...) Why're people complaining about Phase-4? hahaha

Also, has anyone seen Phase-4 cape costume thing with the hood toggled off? or did they get rid of that?

Sue me, but this is probably my favourite if you can still toggle the hood off.... I'm guessing you can't though cause I've seen nobody in the arcade do that.

Brute · Jun 17, 2014

FatalxInnocence said:
Guys, Nyotengu takes re-colours to a whole new level ( I think she has like 5-6 re-colours on her second costume...) Why're people complaining about Phase-4? hahaha

Two wrongs don't make a right.

FatalxInnocence · Jun 17, 2014

Brute said:
Two wrongs don't make a right.

I never said that, but I find it funny how there's complaining about Phase-4 when there was literally no fuss about all Nyo's re-colours. I have a faint idea as to why that is, but I'll keep my mouth shut in order to maintain the peace!

(^^)v

Brute · Jun 17, 2014

FatalxInnocence said:
I never said that, but I find it funny how there's complaining about Phase-4 when there was literally no fuss about all Nyo's re-colours.

You must not be looking in the right places. There was indeed a fuss about Nyo's lazy costume "selection," and there still is.

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