Tournament system of choice for DOA5?

[WINBACK]

Who is this post in reference to? Most of the people here are level headed and own and play on multiple consoles.

It's in reference to everyone. I wasn't speaking to anyone in particular.
And your second statement is incorrect. Read some of these replies again.

I just don't see how this balances out.. What, people are too cheap/lazy/stupid to get a 20 dollar converter so they can use their controller of choice? People made a bad call in the past as to what system should be used, so now we gota keep making it every time we hold a tournament in the future?

At first I was too lazy/stupid to get one, but then I got rich and decided to invest in a good converter. Let me tell you something: that shit is not simple. You have to...
-(with good converters) swap your PS3 pad for a PS2 pad. The digital pad on PS3 pads are much better for fighting games. They're not 100% the same as everyone says they are.
-find a good PS2 pad (to get a "good" one is tougher than just buying one at Gamestop) and break it in. They're a bit more stiff, so the process is much harder/longer.
-the "9" notation on every converter is inconsistent. If you wanna test this yourself, play KoF and try to hyper-hop in a match like you normally would (if you don't compete in KoF don't even bother with this). If you occasionally get a full jump or jump straight-up, you'll know what I mean. I'll admit this is mostly a KoF-only issue though since having the ability to lightly tap "7" and "9" any time during the match is very, very important in that game.
-pray your converter doesn't act fucking stupid mid-match (happens a lot to MK9 players who get random-ducking issues). In the middle of a tournament, your stick could screw up, so you (or someone whose an expert) would just open that thing up and try and fix the problem. But if you're converter acts up, you really can't do anything about it at the time, just hope it doesn't happen again. There's no quick fix.

To this day, I still haven't found a converter that 100% works for me over any PS3 pad, and I'm the type of player that likes to play my best when I go to compete. Gummo even made a PS3 pad that plugs into a 360, but it has the same "9" notation issue and well, it died, and they're really really hard to make.

And for real dude, nobody has really complained about playing on a PS3 at a major in a very, very long time if at all. You'll have trouble convincing people like Big E, Jebailey, or SJ Cage that they've been making "bad calls" all these years when their events have been fantastic and most of them have been run with PS3's.


I do agree with what everyone says about "we should wait until the game comes out to make a decision," but I get the feeling a lot of people here already have made a decision. I'm just telling people not to have a shit-fit if there's little to no difference between the PS3 & 360 copies and PS3 gets chosen. Just be happy that DoA5 gets played on either.

Oh, and one more thing: is there any way to test this 1 or 2-frame delay you guys keep talking about? I've never even heard of it until now but I'm not always in the loop with that kinda stuff.

 

[Matt Ponton]

The most accurate way is to hook the system up to a crt with a device that lights up on your button press and a camera that records 60fps.

 

[Rikuto]

It's in reference to everyone. I wasn't speaking to anyone in particular.
And your second statement is incorrect. Read some of these replies again.

At first I was too lazy/stupid to get one, but then I got rich and decided to invest in a good converter. Let me tell you something: that shit is not simple. You have to...
-(with good converters) swap your PS3 pad for a PS2 pad. The digital pad on PS3 pads are much better for fighting games. They're not 100% the same as everyone says they are.
-find a good PS2 pad (to get a "good" one is tougher than just buying one at Gamestop) and break it in. They're a bit more stiff, so the process is much harder/longer.
-the "9" notation on every converter is inconsistent. If you wanna test this yourself, play KoF and try to hyper-hop in a match like you normally would (if you don't compete in KoF don't even bother with this). If you occasionally get a full jump or jump straight-up, you'll know what I mean. I'll admit this is mostly a KoF-only issue though since having the ability to lightly tap "7" and "9" any time during the match is very, very important in that game.
-pray your converter doesn't act fucking stupid mid-match (happens a lot to MK9 players who get random-ducking issues). In the middle of a tournament, your stick could screw up, so you (or someone whose an expert) would just open that thing up and try and fix the problem. But if you're converter acts up, you really can't do anything about it at the time, just hope it doesn't happen again. There's no quick fix.

To this day, I still haven't found a converter that 100% works for me over any PS3 pad, and I'm the type of player that likes to play my best when I go to compete. Gummo even made a PS3 pad that plugs into a 360, but it has the same "9" notation issue and well, it died, and they're really really hard to make.

And for real dude, nobody has really complained about playing on a PS3 at a major in a very, very long time if at all. You'll have trouble convincing people like Big E, Jebailey, or SJ Cage that they've been making "bad calls" all these years when their events have been fantastic and most of them have been run with PS3's.


I do agree with what everyone says about "we should wait until the game comes out to make a decision," but I get the feeling a lot of people here already have made a decision. I'm just telling people not to have a shit-fit if there's little to no difference between the PS3 & 360 copies and PS3 gets chosen. Just be happy that DoA5 gets played on either.

Oh, and one more thing: is there any way to test this 1 or 2-frame delay you guys keep talking about? I've never even heard of it until now but I'm not always in the loop with that kinda stuff.

I've done the converter thing and honestly it's a pain in the ass for either system, but since Evo requires you use a wired pad (which does not exist for the PS3) you have to do this anyway.

As for the TO's.... eh I don't think they give a shit what the standard system is as long as people aren't complaining about them. And people are not complaining because people are stupid, and because people are scared of getting barked down by the rather vocal number of idiots that populate the FGC. Change isn't exactly something that comes easily to the well-established e-thugs of the gaming community.

Course we're pretty much at the end of this console generation so it won't be a problem for much longer...

 

[Talim JP]

I got a 360 (and love it).

Play fighters on a stick, includin DOA4.

 

[grap3fruitman]

I do agree with what everyone says about "we should wait until the game comes out to make a decision," but I get the feeling a lot of people here already have made a decision.

Of course we should wait and see but you're right, the decision is already been made: whatever everyone else is playing on. So most likely PS3 since that's what's available at most events.

I'm just telling people not to have a shit-fit if there's little to no difference between the PS3 & 360 copies and PS3 gets chosen. Just be happy that DoA5 gets played on either.

You're the only person having a fit though. In addition, you're acting like DOA5 is being played at events. What events are being held outside of GVN are going to even consider having DOA5?

Oh, and one more thing: is there any way to test this 1 or 2-frame delay you guys keep talking about? I've never even heard of it until now but I'm not always in the loop with that kinda stuff.

Mr. Wah can probably point you in the right direction.

 

[Rikuto]

You have such little faith in anything grap3.

I hope you never apply to be a motivational speaker.

 

[Deleted member 473]

Of course we should wait and see but you're right, the decision is already been made: whatever everyone else is playing on. So most likely PS3 since that's what's available at most events.


You're the only person having a fit though. In addition, you're acting like DOA5 is being played at events. What events are being held outside of GVN are going to even consider having DOA5?


Mr. Wah can probably point you in the right direction.

Grap3 Idk what's wrong with you, but please snap out of it...... DOA5 will outshine even the almighty Tekken.

 

[d3v]

Learn to stick. Either buy a Qanba/Eightarc or OMNI or support the community and have your local modder dual mod yours.

 

[Rikuto]

Learn to stick. Either buy a Qanba/Eightarc or OMNI or support the community and have your local modder dual mod yours.

Tried stick. Own a cheap DOA 4 stick. Hate stick.

Talked to KDZ at PowerUp who has been using the same stick since he was a youngin and he tells me that he wants to use pad more because it feels like he can react much faster on pad. The only downside of pad being the inaccuracy of certain inputs, plus years of using stick just naturally makes him more comfortable with it.

And a lot of folks tell me pad is just fine, stick is only for the guys who grew up with it.


Now, a good solution might be to dual-mod a pad but it seems much harder to find people who are adept at this.

 

[Matt Ponton]

The biggest problem with pad is just the inaccuracy of button press timing. The d-pad is generally not so much an issue.

You could always do a pad-stick combo:

http://playmorabox.blogspot.com/2010/09/modded-controller-fight-pad-with-arcade.html

 

[grap3fruitman]

See, this is exactly why I picked up stick: to not have to deal with these controller inconsistency and inaccuracy shenanigans. The benefit of the stick is that the parts are universal and will continue to be used well into the future. So the sooner you learn, the longer you'll benefit. You could also go the Hitbox route a la Mr. Wah.

 

[Rikuto]

The biggest problem with pad is just the inaccuracy of button press timing. The d-pad is generally not so much an issue.

You could always do a pad-stick combo:

http://playmorabox.blogspot.com/2010/09/modded-controller-fight-pad-with-arcade.html

Terrifying, but no.

When you have button press timing issues, you remap sensitive inputs to shoulder buttons because they have less resistance and can be controlled by the index finger.

 

[d3v]

The biggest problem with pad is just the inaccuracy of button press timing. The d-pad is generally not so much an issue.

You could always do a pad-stick combo:

http://playmorabox.blogspot.com/2010/09/modded-controller-fight-pad-with-arcade.html

Sadly, rtdzign isn't doing Franken-pads with the Saturn pad anymore due to their rarity and value.

 

[UnD34D]

Dr. Dogg and Winback bring up good points but I'm completely with Winback on this. I know I'll be playing on PS3 IF I play, my xbox red ringed and I said fuck it, never again. I still own a 360 wired pad just in case, but every tournament I've gone to, I've never had to bust that shit out.

 

[N0rdicNinja]

I have to side with WINBACK on this one, unless there's major reason why the 360 version is superior to the PS3 version everyone should at least be prepared to play on PS3. I know not all tourneys are PS3 exclusive but I'd wager most of the US based ones are. TOs aren't going to be willing to reinvest for the sake of 1 game when they've already spent thousands on their current stock of consoles. Can't expect the big pushers and movers in the FGC to bend to DOAs needs, it's nice if they do it, BigE's always been the type to do whatever was necessary for specific scenes for example, but as the small dog trying to break in we should be willing to adapt.

 

[UncleKitchener]

I'm dual modding my stick anyway, so to me, this will all be irrelevant in a week.

 

[Berzerk!]

Yeah, it's not really about Xbox players having to be prepared to play on ps3, it's whatever you own be prepared to play on either. Sure, Evo plays on ps3 but so many events run Xbox - I know in my area it's dominantly Xbox because its easier to work with.
This is another reason for pad players to seriously consider stick because once you learn on it, swapping between sticks console to console is much less jarring (almost unnoticeable) than with pad.
Sticks also last longer, play more reliably, and can more easily be dual modded.

 

[UncleKitchener]

and you can put your favourite animes on your stick and walk around showing it off to all those poor people who make theirs out of a shoebox. HAH, take a look at my kawaii desu Kasumi-chan artwork I spent hundreds of dollars on.

Royal Mail? What anime is that? Timberland? Never heard of that show.

 

[CyberEvil]

I honestly prefer the 360 controller to the PS3 and will play primarily on that. I will have a PS3 copy, though. It's technically cheaper to get 360 setups and it's been rare when the superior platform (when there was one) WASN'T the Xbox. SFxT is the most recent example and is horrible on PS3 but I'll ignore that since Capcom's PS3 issues has been beaten to death. I'd personally go with 360.

 

[Berzerk!]

One thing we should avoid is making a recommendation "as a community" to endorse one over the other or worse put a system in any "official" ruleset. I think 8wayrun made a mistake doing that.
Let the event determine it and if it's Byo stick, be prepared.