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DOA: Flaws and Tournament Viability

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Relius Starkiller

Relius Starkiller

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Jefffcore said:
Playing Basketball is a game with rules, but it all comes down to the players ability. A video game doesn't have the same freedoms, so it needs different rules.

I guess it could play like that, but no one will want to play it competitively. Why take the time to learn a game that relies on guessing when you can learn a game that rewards you for good choices?

Why would anyone want to play a game where you're scared to attack?
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Is DOA all guessing? No, its not. Reaction time and string recognition plays a large part in the game.

There are people, who have been playing DOA4 since the beginning of time, who play it on damn near a daily basis who still aren't shit 7 years after the fact (Think GT: Pretty Juilet). the reason why players like her and many others aren't even middling players right now has everything to do with them lacking the necessary mental make-up and reaction speed to play the game at a level most of us, here, do.

Fun Fact: I went to practice mode a grand total of 2 times with Zack between early 2006 and mid 2007. Everything I learned I learned through getting my ass handed to me by better players.

The same as in basketball, but in both DOA and basketball there are requirements to be great. In basketball its size and accuracy, DOA has its own baseline skill set that many people just don't posses.

And who is scared to attack in DOA? I'm not afraid to stun you and grab you - as long as I get my damage why should I be worried about 11 hit combos? How many Helena players that you run into are afraid to go aggro on you with a BKO rush? Now if you are saying you're afraid to throw strikes in DOA I'll counter with you shouldn't always be throwing strikes - use the grapples.

And back to the point I make time and again, the vast majority of the community plays DOA4 on Largest life but when its presented to the competitive community at large its "normal is the tournament standard" and, ya know what, I AM afraid to attack on normal because I know that if Ayane or Kasumi mid kick counters me and I'm in a bad spot on the stage I'm losing most of my life bar.

P.S Jeff, you quit every-time you lose in DOA4, which is often when you're playing someone who knows what they are doing. So its very difficult for me to sit here and have a conversation with you about competition because you shrink in the presence of it.
 
Jefffcore

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@lopedo - Fuck your opinion!! It's WRONG!

@Julius - As soon as you stun someone, it's a guessing game; that's the only time you ever have "advantage"

You're also thinking from a defenders perspective. When you're attacking, reactions don't come into play much.

Why do my personal choices matter? DOA4 online is frustrating.
 
Relius Starkiller

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lopedo said:
What the community has done as a whole over the years is BECOME "lopedo",
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I don't see too many people on this site calling me a nigger Lopedo and don't think for a second that I or anybody else has forgotten your long storied history of using racial slurs.

Everything else I agree with but the fact that you've called me a "Niglet" before is keeping your name at the tippity top of my shit list man.

Revenge is a dish best served with a morphine drip.

Jefffcore said:
@Julius - As soon as you stun someone, it's a guessing game; that's the only time you ever have "advantage"


Why do my personal choices matter? DOA4 online is frustrating.
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When me and you are having a tag contest in Virtua Fighter or a staring contest in Tekken its a guess. You don't know who going first but the guy who guesses right or gets lucky is now on the attack and hes relying on guessing to get his opponent into the position that he wants.

In DOA, if I stun you I can stand there and wait for you to counter then grab but if you don't I grab or offensive hold - and I'd say I land one of the two 60% of the time. If I see what counter you did I do a small juggle but if I'm dead set on getting you up high I play the sequence to its conclusion, but its my choice.

If I play you enough or watch you play enough, I know what you like to do and I base my attack off of past experiences as well as what your character is capable of doing.

Does it always work? No but theres no one out there that I wouldn't feel comfortable saying they beat me fair and square if we went first to 3.

I dunno, seems like I'm talking in circles here. DOA 5 is looking great from where I'm sitting (-25 on Zack's duck stance sucks, but hey I'll just use it less.)
 
Jefffcore

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You can wait to see if they hold, but you risk losing the stun. You "know" what you've seen someone do, they can change it any time they feel like it.

Guessing from neutral is unavoidable.
 
Rikuto

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lopedo said:
I've been with DOA since the launch of DOA2U and I'm noticing something kind of funny. After all of these years, anybody can bring up a good point, but if they are disliked, they will be shut down and made fun of for no reason. I'm not talking about myself because I respect very few people in this community.

Dr Dogg, Ransuu, Sorwah, Rikuto, Master... just some of the names that have a "fan base" around them. To somebody from the sidelines, they may have a good point. But to *most* people, they are wrong or right based off of how that particular person feels about them.

Offline tournaments? Those of us not hurting for money have better things to do than travel to them. Those of us who travel for the game they love to play have, in my case, decided its not worth it for a glorified rock paper scissors. Don't bother snipping and arguing. DOA being a guessing game to me an opinion. You can't disprove it. You can't prove it. It is an opinion.

So the game? Yeah, it may be good, it may not be, who knows? At this point, I don't care. I don't want to be the number one in the world for DOA. I don't want to be considered good, bad, anything.

When I started being "lopedo" to troll and call names, it was fun and games. It still IS fun and games.

What the community has done as a whole over the years is BECOME "lopedo", but you are all real with your arguing and insults. So again, the game? I'm tired of beating a dead horse. Safe, unsafe, frames, holds, whatever.

The people that I'm going to be playing this game with are the problem. And before you reply with something snippy or idiotic, remember that my opinion is mine, and arguing with me is pointless. I'm going to be 100% right to some people, 100% wrong to others.

lopedo is a name that's accocisated with DOA because an online player with a mouth beat up some "good" players. So does it matter at all what I'm saying because I didn't go offline and shake hands with a bunch of people I don't like? Nah, probably not. And that right there is the problem. God could come into this community and bless all of you, and he'd still be wrong because he's not an offline player who's won thousands of dollars by playing against the same 10 people who showed up to a game that very few give a rats ass about.
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Actually it's pretty much entirely possible to say stuff and be 100% wrong about it, factually. An opinion is simply a word people hide behind when they are either too lazy or unwilling to seek the truth and be subjugated to it.

And you, my friend, have a lot of opinions.
 
Codemaster92163

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God could come into this community and bless all of you, and he'd still be wrong because he's not an offline player who's won thousands of dollars by playing against the same 10 people who showed up to a game that very few give a rats ass about.
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I gotta admit, that's true to an extent. From this site and a few others, I've noticed that some people tend to dismiss those who haven't played offline at tournaments or something. Sort of like playing offline with another member somewhere gives extra credence to your words where if you mostly play online, you're an online scrub. Not all people think like that, but I've certainly seen it, and it's a sad stigma attached on both ends.
 
Skilletor

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Well, it's just that, if you aren't going to a tournament, your words really don't matter to a person who intends to. You can sit and play with friends all you like, but if you're not going to go out and be competitive with the game, why should I listen to you regarding that topic?
 
lopedo

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@Relius Who are you again? I don't even remember you. But you remember me. That's awesome. Revenge? What? .... lol?
@Rikuto True enough.
@Code You get it.

Skilletor said:
Well, it's just that, if you aren't going to a tournament, your words really don't matter to a person who intends to. You can sit and play with friends all you like, but if you're not going to go out and be competitive with the game, why should I listen to you regarding that topic?
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Say I'm good at football, right? But I never join a team... with me here? Okay, so I'm the best football player in the world, but it doesn't matter, because I'm not joining a team and showing it the world. That's how life generally works. I can build a rocket and catch an alien, but if nobody knows I'll never be famous or make lots of money or what have you.

K, so we take that to an Xbox/PS3 game. So here I am, playing the same people online that I could offline, not winning any money, listening to constant bitching about online/offline, building a boat while swimming in their tears of entitlement because offline players are awesome and online players just... suck. It doesn't matter that the online player beats people online, because fuck online, right? Online is terrible. There is lag. Your low holds don't come out in lag.

Or, the TLTR version: because I'm probably better than you, meaning that I know the game better, the frames better, the combos better, the moves better, the characters better. Better better better better. And if I have knowledge of all of that and never win an offline tournament... while you DON'T have knowledge of all of that and never win an offline tournament, I'm a better player than you.

And instead of picking bones about online/offline, people should welcome good players and learn from them, not ask them "well, why do you matter?" I don't. You don't either. But I can probably explain why you keep failing against X character, while all you can do, is bitch about it.
 
Skilletor

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All of that is well and good, but I couldn't care less about your opinion regarding what is a tournament worthy game if you don't care about the same thing.

I am well aware that online play has progressed enough that you can be a legitimately good player using only this tool. But if you don't care about the competitive scene, then I don't care about your opinion concerning the matter.

I've never mentioned anything about online/offline, btw.
 
lopedo

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Well then, that changes everything.

Julius, buddy, I'm going to be 100% real with you. You are less than "lopedo" is on his worst day with insults, you matter less than I do because you are a trouble making retard offline, and the only people that "like" you are children, uneducated women, and casuals who laugh at you before shutting their system down for another week. Being an attention whore doesn't make you a good player, a value to the community, or anything more than just another casual with a big mouth.

Skilletor said:
All of that is well and good, but I couldn't care less about your opinion regarding what is a tournament worthy game if you don't care about the same thing.

I am well aware that online play has progressed enough that you can be a legitimately good player using only this tool. But if you don't care about the competitive scene, then I don't care about your opinion concerning the matter.

I've never mentioned anything about online/offline, btw.
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If you don't care about a better player just because he's no threat to you offline, go get 'em tiger. :)
 
DriftSlave

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So we are totally are going to get into the Online vs Offline Community argument?

Edit: nvm, the conversation to a unexpected detour...and it's recovering....
 
Skilletor

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lopedo said:
If you don't care about a better player just because he's no threat to you offline, go get 'em tiger. :)
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Well, they aren't, because they're aren't going to tournaments. Which is pretty much my point. However, that doesn't mean that I can't train with that person to make me a better player in preparation for competition I will find when I do travel.
 
lopedo

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News flash dude, I can be better than you at a video game without going offline for it. :)
Skilletor said:
Well, they aren't, because they're aren't going to tournaments. Which is pretty much my point. However, that doesn't mean that I can't train with that person to make me a better player in preparation for competition I will find when I do travel.
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That might be the stupidest thing that I have ever read on any website period. Congrats. Now for a trip back down to Earth. I can be better than you at a video game and never go offline for it.
 
Skilletor

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lopedo said:
News flash dude, I can be better than you at a video game without going offline for it. :)

That might be the stupidest thing that I have ever read on any website period. Congrats. Now for a trip back down to Earth. I can be better than you at a video game and never go offline for it.
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Please read what I'm saying.
 
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