DOA5LR Last Round Tag Interactions & Throws

[Aspect]

Imo it's actually the opposite case: Phase 4 is already presented in DoA5 as a sympathtetic character contrarily to the previous clones that we know so far (Alpha, Alpha-152, DoA5 Boss... the only exception was Fake Kasumi): as I said more times in my book this is already a strong hint foreshadowing her future alliance with the shinobi and just with the same Kasumi. In the fictions happen very often as the main character/someone that apparently everyone would consider the first one to want the death of an enemy, with a plot twist end to be just the more active person to defend it from a summary judgement of death from his current allies (aka Hayate & Ayane in our case). I'm extremely sure that this tag was already thought considering the future interaction of the two characters so to work even for the future game, not putting aside it.

For the same reasoning considering his tag interactions with Lisa and Hayate, I'm starting to think that we could get a real Ein character different from the amnesyac Hayate in DoA6, but rather a clone of him. Even the scene of Rig starting again the Epsilon project could be seen as a foreshadowing of it.

I'd like to see this being the case. Phase 4 becoming a tragic hero as alluded by the "tragic weapon monikers - "insert self sacrifice moment". Not too sure if Bayman would appreciate having to face the Ninjas to kill Phase 4 though.

 

[Kronin]

I'd like to see this being the case. Phase 4 becoming a tragic hero as alluded by the "tragic weapon monikers - "insert self sacrifice moment". Not too sure if Bayman would appreciate having to face the Ninjas to kill Phase 4 though.

Well, this could be a scenario considering how clones usually are the characters more suitable for a sacrifice, by the way Phase 4 is called atragic weapon because already living in a similar condition: she is forced to fight when actually she appear to not have any interest in doing it, on the opposite she feel pity for the victims and doesn't like what she do, even starting to get existential doubts about the matter. So for me there are chances for her getting an happy ending.

In my opinion Kasumi and Ayane could just have gained 2 potential new sisters (one for each one) with Phase 4 and Honoka, however we will have to wait for Doa6 to realize if effectively this will be the path followed by the the storyline.

 

[Hayabusiness]

@Kronin Sorry for being off topic, but how's it possible for Honoka to be Kasumi and Ayane' sister?

Anyway, are tag throw intros/outros videos floating around youtube?? I'd like to check out but I can't atm.

 

[CFW]

@Kronin Sorry for being off topic, but how's it possible for Honoka to be Kasumi and Ayane' sister?

Anyway, are tag throw intros/outros videos floating around youtube?? I'd like to check out but I can't atm.

Speculation from her relationship with R**d** thanks to their tag interactions. There would be no relation to Kasumi.

 

[Kronin]

@Kronin Sorry for being off topic, but how's it possible for Honoka to be Kasumi and Ayane' sister?

Anyway, are tag throw intros/outros videos floating around youtube?? I'd like to check out but I can't atm.

Speculation from her relationship with R**d** thanks to their tag interactions. There would be no relation to Kasumi.

^ This, but the tag interactions are just a further hint after Honoka keeping the same stealing powers (and red aura in her glove/hand), in addition to a color of hairs close to Ayane's one (even if in the JPN work a pink hair color is not necessarily something seen as strange) and her background kept in the past excepted for the info of her not growing with parents. Just speculation, but such elements could be hints for this conclusion.

PS: By the way in this scenario Honoka would be cousin of Kasumi and Hayate.

 

[KwonJigglypuff]

What if Honoka, instead of being Raidou's daughter, is Raidou's granddaughter ?
Okay, it doesn't change much from the previous theory, but it's still likely.
I don't know if this theory was discussed before, but in Honoka's bio, they put the emphasis on her mysterious granddmother, so I believe Raidou and her had something in common in the past. Maybe they were lovers. Raidou was probably at the end of his teenage years, and so was she. I believe she lived in Japan around human beings (so she wasn't a ninja). Timeline could go like this.

198? : For some reason, while a teenager, Raidou meets a young beautiful human woman named Mitsuko ("Grandmother Honoka"). They are both in love, but they can't marry because of the ninja code. They elope for a moment, which leads to a baby's birth Raidou isn't aware off. Years have passed and Mitsuko raised the baby on her own.
1997 : That baby (let's call her "Mother Honoka") grows up and have her own life, she doesn't have ay power. She has a random life : she goes to highschool, she meets her soulmate, and at a young age, they give birth to Honoka sometimes in March. In the meanwhile, Raidou grows stronger and becomes evil, because the ninja code broke his heart. Out of rage and out of control, he rapes Ayame. In August, Ayame gives birth to Ayane.
200? : For some reason, "Mother Honoka" dies and Mitsuko has to raise her granddaughter. She becomes aware of Honoka's strange power and decides to give her a normal life, hiding the truth about Raidou and the ninja clan.
2013 : Raidou is killed by Kasumi during the first tournament. Ayane who is 16, is sent by Genra, her foster father, to travel around the world in order to hunt Kasumi. At the same time, Honoka lives her "normal" life as a magical schoolgirl (lol) with her grandmother who raised her.
2015 : Raidou is brought back to life by Donovan. Ayane is 18, Honoka too. Soon they will meet...

My grandfather was found of genealogy, I don't know much about it. So :

• Ayane has a half-sister, Kasumi.
• Her father is Raidou and her mother is Ayame.
• Then Ayane is Honoka's half-aunt ?

 

[Kronin]

Nice theory @Rawbietussin, Honoka grandaughter of Raidou could be surely a possibile scenario.

The only things that I would like to point about what you wrote:
1) The DoA wikia say that Raidou abandoned the clan because jealous of the Shiden inheriting the role of clan's leader from his father. Not sure how much this info has to be considered truthful because I never read something similar, but I know that the wikia is followed from TN members. By the way a similar reason seems to me more in-character for Raidou (according to what we know of him and his wish of power), and even a better explanation of the act toward Ayame.
2) Usually sentences as "Don't we know us?" (the one that Honoka state to Raidou during their tag outro) are used for persons that entered in contact during their lifetime, so I suppose that Honoka met Raidou during her childhood, even if she can't remember him.

By the way we are off topic XD

 

[Aerospark]

I think tag intros/outros sometimes matter in terms of story. That's why I'm very interested in the new characters' tag interactions (since there's no new stories it gives us somewhat of a preview for 6).

Some of them though like Kasumi/P4 you just suspend your disbelief (like Helena/Christie or Ein/Hayate with the latter not even possible anyway?) and just go with it. XD

Christie: *shoots helena's mom even though she really meant to shoot helena*
Christie: *reveals to helena that she's an assassin*
Helena: ?????????????
Christie: lol helena i shot ur mom lmao
Helena: ?????????????
Christie: LMAOO HELENA UR SO FUNNY WHEN U HAVE A BREAKDOWN
Helena: ?????????????
Christie: lmao
Christie: lmaoooo

Christie and Helena later became best friends

What if Honoka, instead of being Raidou's daughter, is Raidou's granddaughter ?
Okay, it doesn't change much from the previous theory, but it's still likely.
I don't know if this theory was discussed before, but in Honoka's bio, they put the emphasis on her mysterious granddmother, so I believe Raidou and her had something in common in the past. Maybe they were lovers. Raidou was probably at the end of his teenage years, and so was she. I believe she lived in Japan around human beings (so she wasn't a ninja). Timeline could go like this.

198? : For some reason, while a teenager, Raidou meets a young beautiful human woman named Mitsuko ("Grandmother Honoka"). They are both in love, but they can't marry because of the ninja code. They elope for a moment, which leads to a baby's birth Raidou isn't aware off. Years have passed and Mitsuko raised the baby on her own.
1997 : That baby (let's call her "Mother Honoka") grows up and have her own life, she doesn't have ay power. She has a random life : she goes to highschool, she meets her soulmate, and at a young age, they give birth to Honoka sometimes in March. In the meanwhile, Raidou grows stronger and becomes evil, because the ninja code broke his heart. Out of rage and out of control, he rapes Ayame. In August, Ayame gives birth to Ayane.
200? : For some reason, "Mother Honoka" dies and Mitsuko has to raise her granddaughter. She becomes aware of Honoka's strange power and decides to give her a normal life, hiding the truth about Raidou and the ninja clan.
2013 : Raidou is killed by Kasumi during the first tournament. Ayane who is 16, is sent by Genra, her foster father, to travel around the world in order to hunt Kasumi. At the same time, Honoka lives her "normal" life as a magical schoolgirl (lol) with her grandmother who raised her.
2015 : Raidou is brought back to life by Donovan. Ayane is 18, Honoka too. Soon they will meet...

My grandfather was found of genealogy, I don't know much about it. So :

• Ayane has a half-sister, Kasumi.
• Her father is Raidou and her mother is Ayame.
• Then Ayane is Honoka's half-aunt ?

Also, if you try to make any bit of sense w/ DOA's timeline Dead or Alive 5's story should take place in 2005

 

[KwonJigglypuff]

Christie: *shoots helena's mom even though she really meant to shoot helena*
Christie: *reveals to helena that she's an assassin*
Helena: ?????????????
Christie: lol helena i shot ur mom lmao
Helena: ?????????????
Christie: LMAOO HELENA UR SO FUNNY WHEN U HAVE A BREAKDOWN
Helena: ?????????????
Christie: lmao
Christie: lmaoooo

Christie and Helena later became best friends



Also, if you try to make any bit of sense w/ DOA's timeline Dead or Alive 5's story should take place in 2005

Really ? I didn't know that was canon. I just used this year to make the maths easier.

 

[Aerospark]

Really ? I didn't know that was canon. I just used this year to make the maths easier.

Yeah, the tournaments were supposed to be an annual thing. The 1st tournament and the 2nd tournament took place the same year and ended at the end of the 20th century (2000), then the 3rd tournament should've taken place in 2001, the fourth in 2002, then there's the two year time skip and then bam the 5th (2004).

oh wait it's actually 2004 oop. lmao... well, shit.

 

[KwonJigglypuff]

Yeah, the tournaments were supposed to be an annual thing. The 1st tournament and the 2nd tournament took place the same year and ended at the end of the 20th century (2000), then the 3rd tournament should've taken place in 2001, the fourth in 2002, then there's the two year time skip and then bam the 5th (2004).

oh wait it's actually 2004 oop. lmao... well, shit.

Do you have a source stating DOA1/DOA2 takes place in 2000 ?
Also a few things :
- you never know what TN had in mind with the DOAD reboot.
- characters didn't age between DOA1-DOA4
- the only official aging was between DOA4 and DOA5 : 2 years after DOATEC's destruction

Also, I know it doesn't mean much because of the fantasy/scfi universe, but Lisa's cellphone in Story Mode, for instance, doesn't belong to the mid-2000.

 

[Mayor-Of-Mustard]

Do you have a source stating DOA1/DOA2 takes place in 2000 ?
Also a few things :
- you never know what TN had in mind with the DOAD reboot.
- characters didn't age between DOA1-DOA4
- the only official aging was between DOA4 and DOA5 : 2 years after DOATEC's destruction

Also, I know it doesn't mean much because of the fantasy/scfi universe, but Lisa's cellphone in Story Mode, for instance, doesn't belong to the mid-2000.

And Christie's iPad xD

 

[Kronin]

Do you have a source stating DOA1/DOA2 takes place in 2000 ?

The killing of Fame Douglas and the "Tengu disaster" were events placed at the "end of the 20th century" in the original timeline, however this could be even a generic formula for indicating a certain range of years going from 199X to 200X, so not necessarily the year 2000.

Spoiler

- you never know what TN had in mind with the DOAD reboot.
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Also, I know it doesn't mean much because of the fantasy/scfi universe, but Lisa's cellphone in Story Mode, for instance, doesn't belong to the mid-2000.

Yes, the new canon could have alterated the placement of the timeline. For the second point I think that we shouldn't get it too much in consideration because (putting aside that the sci-fi setting place the DoA world in one more technological evoluted than our one) it's the same thing that happens in the comics: a progression of the technological evolution inside a more compressed (or dilatated according to the povs) time compared to our one. In the arc of fictional few years characters pass from using telephone booths to cellphones - for making an example - when in the real life this happened in tens of years.

EDIT: @David Gregg
I thought of Ayane as another possible partner request for Marie Rose, in various old promotional trailers featuring the tag gameplay in themselves, we saw MR paired with Ayane and performing with her tag strings. I can't remember exactly how much times, but I'm sure that this happened more than in one video. Not only, but even Marie Rose's gym outfit and Ayane's old DoA4 outfit released in the same DLC pack appeared sharing similarities through their top.

I don't think that there are many chances for Ayane and Marie Rose of getting some unique tag interactions in the game, but I believe that could be worthy to make an attempt.

 

[Dark-truth]

Ha ha I like how performing his izuna drop is his first reaction to seeing Nyo. XD

It would be awesome if their tag throw was some combination of Ryu's Izuna and Nyo's 2T. I don't know how it could work but I'd like to see it!

i thought the same XD but i would like to see if nyo throws the opponent into the air and ryu does a izuna

 

[Dark-truth]

im happy phase and kasumi are a team but i think momiji needs to be a tag team with all the ninja's while shes tagged with hayate she says ''master hayate'' when shes tagged with kasumi she say ''kasumi'' and same with ayane i think rachel should be teams with leon ayane and bayman

 

[Argentus]

Speculation from her relationship with R**d** thanks to their tag interactions. There would be no relation to Kasumi.

omg I read that as Rapedick.

 

[werewolfgold]

omg I read that as Rapedick.

 

[DarkWolf]

I'd love a tag intro/outro for Helena and Bayman. They have a good relationship so it would make sense

 

[CFW]

I'd love a tag intro/outro for Helena and Bayman. They have a good relationship so it would make sense

 

[Mayor-Of-Mustard]

I'd love a tag intro/outro for Helena and Bayman. They have a good relationship so it would make sense

Bayman and Marie too. That would work, right? I mean Bayman is sorta Helena's bodyguard and Marie is Helena's servant :3
and i'm not saying that because of my profile pic

wait people ship this?