A Discussion of sexualised design of male/female characters

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[Chapstick]

Snake definitely has one of the best asses in gaming. That's my insightful 2¢

 

[Goarmagon]

Snake definitely has one of the best asses in gaming. That's my insightful 2¢

Why does he have a better ass than Meryl in MGS4? Thats is one of the things that genuinely disturbed me about that game. They made a big deal about how wonderful her ass was in MGS1 but when MGS4 came along and they had the horsepower to show it they didnt. So many things that pisses me off about MGS4.

#bootyequality

 

[Argentus]

Why does he have a better ass than Meryl in MGS4? Thats is one of the things that genuinely disturbed me about that game. They made a big deal about how wonderful her ass was in MGS1 but when MGS4 came along and they had the horsepower to show it they didnt. So many things that pisses me off about MGS4.

#bootyequality

To be fair she was the only girl in Alaska at the time lol. It was more that she had the best ass by default.

On sexuality, it was heavily implied Ocelot or soldiers rapes her during captivity. Most peoples knee jerk reaction to rape in fiction is "how dare you degrade women for shock value", but honestly, its the kind of situation where its wierder when it DOESNT happen.

It seriously bugs me when people try to act like it doesn't happen.

Like I've been reading this manga called Caterpillar, all about criminal underworld. One thing I appreciate is it doesn't shy away from sex crimes like most fiction. Not because I'm hoping to see rape or anything like that, but because it comes across as extremely odd when writers act like THATS the one thing bad guys won't do because of general sex taboos.

Anyways so yeah like Meryls ass got her in trouble more ways than one in MGS1, some people going "how could they even suggest that", whereas I'm going "what did you think was going to happen to the only pretty girl on an island full of sadists and soldiers?!".

Or like how in far cry 3 it was setup that the kidnapped girls were being raped by all the pirates/mercenaries, which sad to say is pretty par for the course. Only the writers chickened out of it at the last second the girls got away and one of the GUYS got raped instead, which is "okay" because its funny when it happens to guys apparently.


Again sorry of that's too heavy for the topic, but I believe its relevant to "sexual content"

 

[Goarmagon]

Speaking of which how come the yaoi fangirls didnt run a mile with vamp in MGS4? Its clear as day that boy wanted to lay pipe on Raiden instead of Naomi.

 

[Russian-chiropractic19]

Speaking of which how come the yaoi fangirls didnt run a mile with vamp in MGS4? Its clear as day that boy wanted to lay pipe on Raiden instead of Naomi.

Probably because they didn't look all that great.

When you take a look at other antagonist you can star to see why

Vamp & Raiden

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And here's DGMs Allen and Tyki Mikk

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Hell when Allen gets horribly maimed he turns into this

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[Xhominid The Demon Within]

To be fair she was the only girl in Alaska at the time lol. It was more that she had the best ass by default.

On sexuality, it was heavily implied Ocelot or soldiers rapes her during captivity. Most peoples knee jerk reaction to rape in fiction is "how dare you degrade women for shock value", but honestly, its the kind of situation where its wierder when it DOESNT happen.

It seriously bugs me when people try to act like it doesn't happen.

To say I agree with this is an understatement. I get peoples' mindset when it comes to Rape in Fictional Stories...but what always pisses me off the most is how people are so against it even when it makes sense in the given area/setting, but barely care/complain when you have wanton slaughter/murder for the sake of it, even when it makes no sense whatsoever.

You know exactly what I'm talking about: When a villain to show off how evil he is, kills off his best men or mooks simply because they failed to follow orders...despite anyone whose even remotely versed in moral would know that's a horrible idea and the breeding grounds for mutiny. Or the fact that you get brutal violence that is damn near glorified simply because it happens to the right people.

Murder has always been done sometimes to an extremely untasteful extent in fiction, but past favorites dying, everyone loves talking about it as if it's par of the course(it does not help when people start using it for real life nonsense...but I'm not going to get on the Murder and Rape which is worse stuff here) but go nuts when Rape happens, even when it makes sense for it to happen(which is why I despise the Rape is a Special Kind of Evil trope and wish more people deconstructed that type of stupid behavior in fiction).

 

[KasumiLover]

All games and fiction always avoid rape. In Tekken, Nina was raped but they never explicitly state it. Lili could've been raped during her kidnapping, but they never seem bold enough to darken the stories that drastically.

 

[Russian-chiropractic19]

its not just in fiction though as it reflects what our society as a whole feels about it. how many times have you looked at a news story about a sex offender and look at all the comments describing ways he should be viciously tortured? where as with murderers the most you usually get is a call for a quick execution.

 

[Project Bokuho]

Jun was "attacked" by Devil in Tekken 2 as well.

 

[KasumiLover]

Jun was "attacked" by Devil in Tekken 2 as well.

And it's unknown whether her "encounter " with Kazuya to create jin was mutual or forced. It's really puzzling. I've also noticed that Kano on MKX has a bit of rape subtext in his interactions with women, especially and disturbingly towards Sonya and Cassie...then again, the game is darker and edgier than previous MKs to begin with.

 

[Argentus]

All games and fiction always avoid rape. In Tekken, Nina was raped but they never explicitly state it. Lili could've been raped during her kidnapping, but they never seem bold enough to darken the stories that drastically.

Jun was "attacked" by Devil in Tekken 2 as well.

I know we demonize it more than other crimes, but like I said its frustrating to see writers pretend its not the common crime that it is, but instead a rare ultimate sin.

Like when the totally amoral hedonistic villains capture the damsel in distress and have her at their mercy and then...nothing. its like why the fuck would THAT be the only line they don't cross?

It just emphasizes that the writer is spoiled from the first world, IMHO. I feel like its also insulting because rape happens all the time, and to just ignore that is to ignore the victims as well.

Then there's attempts to skirt around it, which never go well. One of the stupidest examples was 28 Days Later. The girls get tricked and trapped by some soldiers to be sex slaves because they're the only women around. But rather than raping them, they tell them to put on some dresses amd date them, conveniently giving the girls plenty of time to be saved. Its like really? You expect me to believed half crazed desperate soldiers aren't gonna just jump those girls?

Its why I have a lot of respect for Arachnid, Caterpillar and The Crossed. They show rape just as casually as any other crime. It is what it is.


Like in Sky rim I remember coming across some bandits and after killing them (sadistically I might add. I cast rage on one made him kill the other then resurrected the dead one to make them fight again until the zombie killed the survivor), I noticed a dead naked lady laying over a nearby log with blood on the log and ground between her legs. Nothing important, no big building, it was just there as part of the ambience. A random girl was raped and killed by bandits, it was kind of assumed this happened regularly, just never actually shown before.

 

[Project Bokuho]

Then there's attempts to skirt around it, which never go well. One of the stupidest examples was 28 Days Later. The girls get tricked and trapped by some soldiers to be sex slaves because they're the only women around. But rather than raping them, they tell them to put on some dresses amd date them, conveniently giving the girls plenty of time to be saved. Its like really? You expect me to believed half crazed desperate soldiers aren't gonna just jump those girls?

Yeah, I agree with you on that. I have a Blu-Ray copy of 28 Days Later, and I still think that the whole dating idea never made any sense.

 

[KasumiLover]

I know we demonize it more than other crimes, but like I said its frustrating to see writers pretend its not the common crime that it is, but instead a rare ultimate sin.

Like when the totally amoral hedonistic villains capture the damsel in distress and have her at their mercy and then...nothing. its like why the fuck would THAT be the only line they don't cross?

It just emphasizes that the writer is spoiled from the first world, IMHO. I feel like its also insulting because rape happens all the time, and to just ignore that is to ignore the victims as well.

Then there's attempts to skirt around it, which never go well. One of the stupidest examples was 28 Days Later. The girls get tricked and trapped by some soldiers to be sex slaves because they're the only women around. But rather than raping them, they tell them to put on some dresses amd date them, conveniently giving the girls plenty of time to be saved. Its like really? You expect me to believed half crazed desperate soldiers aren't gonna just jump those girls?

Its why I have a lot of respect for Arachnid, Caterpillar and The Crossed. They show rape just as casually as any other crime. It is what it is.


Like in Sky rim I remember coming across some bandits and after killing them (sadistically I might add. I cast rage on one made him kill the other then resurrected the dead one to make them fight again until the zombie killed the survivor), I noticed a dead naked lady laying over a nearby log with blood on the log and ground between her legs. Nothing important, no big building, it was just there as part of the ambience. A random girl was raped and killed by bandits, it was kind of assumed this happened regularly, just never actually shown before.

Yikes, that's horribly realistic! I remember in GTA San andreas where you could pimp the girls for money, and some of the johns would apparently get "rough" and you'd have to save the girl, which was a subtle nod to the dangers of their line of work. Then in the last of us, I remember that Ellie had almost said that the man she had to fight alone had tried to rape her, but she was cut off when the protagonist hugged her. When the man tried to strangle her, I guess he wasn't doing it to actually kill her, but to most likely have his way, which was also disturbingly realistic.

 

[Argentus]

Yikes, that's horribly realistic! I remember in GTA San andreas where you could pimp the girls for money, and some of the johns would apparently get "rough" and you'd have to save the girl, which was a subtle nod to the dangers of their line of work. Then in the last of us, I remember that Ellie had almost said that the man she had to fight alone had tried to rape her, but she was cut off when the protagonist hugged her. When the man tried to strangle her, I guess he wasn't doing it to actually kill her, but to most likely have his way, which was also disturbingly realistic.

That reminds me of the Tomb Raider reboot. Early in the game one of the men on the island lines her to a wall, makes innuendo and has his hands all over her, obviously about to do something sexual...then suddenly starts strangling her and if you fail the QuickTime event its game over and she dies. I'm like uh...change your mind there did ya?

And I'm not saying there has to be rape every time a girl is caught either. Like in WET the heroine is caught and stripped to her underwear. But not because rape, because they're about to torture her. The lack of rape makes sense there.

 

[KasumiLover]

That reminds me of the Tomb Raider reboot. Early in the game one of the men on the island lines her to a wall, makes innuendo and has his hands all over her, obviously about to do something sexual...then suddenly starts strangling her and if you fail the QuickTime event its game over and she dies. I'm like uh...change your mind there did ya?

And I'm not saying there has to be rape every time a girl is caught either. Like in WET the heroine is caught and stripped to her underwear. But not because rape, because they're about to torture her. The lack of rape makes sense there.

The last bit you said is like that game Heavy Rain, when you control Madison or whatever her name was, a group of armed men break into her apartment while she is in nothing but a t shirt and underwear, but at the beginning they simply stalk her and don't attack her....even when she's naked in the bathroom and defenseless. But when they do, they don't actually attempt anything sexual, they just try to kill her which surprised me, as I was only 13 when I played it. But I guess it makes since she was an insomniac and was just dreaming the ordeal.

 

[Argentus]

The last bit you said is like that game Heavy Rain, when you control Madison or whatever her name was, a group of armed men break into her apartment while she is in nothing but a t shirt and underwear, but at the beginning they simply stalk her and don't attack her....even when she's naked in the bathroom and defenseless. But when they do, they don't actually attempt anything sexual, they just try to kill her which surprised me, as I was only 13 when I played it. But I guess it makes since she was an insomniac and was just dreaming the ordeal.

Yeah Madison almost gets raped a lot lol.

Later in the game she's held at gunpoint, forced to strip, and do a sexy Dance. You can smash his head with a vase before he makes you go any further, but its odd because its literally the only part of the game you can't fail. Any other time if you don't act quickly something horrible will happen, someone will be mutilated or killed, etc. But at this part of the game it just starts looping the animation of him checking her out as she dances and her glancing at the lamp every few seconds. It'd like really? All the other awful shit you show and yet you're too PC to show Madison forced to give a blowjob at gunpoint or something?

Then later on an old man drugs her and ties her to a table. At first okay he's just gonna kill her like the dead guy in the corner. She's still fully dressed. But then he starts groping her and tries to take a power drill to her pussy right through her jeans. So many fuxking questions.

Why not strip her while she was unconscious?
If you're gonna kill her why not just kill her?
If you're gonna rape her just rape her don't do some weird innuendo stand in.

I know there's sick sadists who torture, but it was obvious they were just skirting around rape rather than actually showing a sadistic killer.

Then I think she almost gets raped again in the dlc.

But yeah that dream was awkward too. Chase the lady in her underwear down, pin her down over table spread eagle...then just kill her. Its like the fuck why did you need to spread her out then?! But yeah just a dream sequence

 

[Russian-chiropractic19]

Keep in mind there is no stand in for rape as the affects it would have on the story would be dramaticly different than "escaping a perilous situation"

If it didn't happen then the story was not deseigned for it to happen. It's not pussying out. If it's integral to the plot they'll find a way.

 

[Goarmagon]

I honestly think that writers avoid rape because they are afraid that they dont have the ability to give repect to the victims that it requires. Being to light about rape can offend people that experienced it. Anyways back to the discussion of asses

Why is Christie's ass so flat?

EDIT: not gonna lie Ash Crimson has a wonderful ass. I bet Elizabeth did some wonderfully disgusting things to it.

 

[KasumiLover]

Ass shape is one thing, but actual jiggle and movement is way better 100%. All fighting games everywhere should have jiggle physics dedicated to that area, it's much more hot than breasts which have become so predictable over the years.