DOA5LR Mai Shiranui DOA5LR Discussion - Guest from FF/KOF series
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Jadeinchains
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From my knowledge the only things that are canon right now in the doa universe is the doa, Ninja gaiden and now the fatal frame games. I wasn't sure if Naotora is canon but if she isn't canon then at least that's one less series they need to account for.
I really don't know about VF though since the characters appeared in the story mode so they must be canon.
I really don't know about VF though since the characters appeared in the story mode so they must be canon.
Naotora isn't canon. You could have a Samurai era but it wouldn't be the same Samurai era as DOA's world in the past. The Naotora way back in the day within the DOA world could potentially been a normal human being following an ordinary timeline event to her death.
As for the VF characters, it may have been means of promotion and introducing them into DOA due to the fact that DOA was inspired by Virtua Fighter. It's similar to Akuma in Tekken but not fully into the plot. For Sarah's case, the promotional way is to introduce her in the gym while Zack was reading the newspaper with Tina coming behind her, however the intended plot may have been Zack just reading the newspaper with Tina coming from behind to ask Zack about the tournament. I still wouldn't consider their inclusion as canon.
If the VF characters were truly canon, pretty sure Akira and Pai would of aided Hayabusa & Kasumi to stop Alpha or attempt like Hayabusa/Ayane/Hayate to further let Kasumi do the final battle. Those two characters are actual heroes in a sense. (If we are going by direction here as anything resembling Dural would trigger those two.)
As for the VF characters, it may have been means of promotion and introducing them into DOA due to the fact that DOA was inspired by Virtua Fighter. It's similar to Akuma in Tekken but not fully into the plot. For Sarah's case, the promotional way is to introduce her in the gym while Zack was reading the newspaper with Tina coming behind her, however the intended plot may have been Zack just reading the newspaper with Tina coming from behind to ask Zack about the tournament. I still wouldn't consider their inclusion as canon.
If the VF characters were truly canon, pretty sure Akira and Pai would of aided Hayabusa & Kasumi to stop Alpha or attempt like Hayabusa/Ayane/Hayate to further let Kasumi do the final battle. Those two characters are actual heroes in a sense. (If we are going by direction here as anything resembling Dural would trigger those two.)
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Dark-truth
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Well maybe she just wanted to join the dead or alive tournament since there are many more tournaments.
Mishima zaibatsu Japan
Doatec France
The list keeps going on and on
Shiranui
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Mai is in DOA universe as homage to the "mother of the game".
VF characters were invited in DOA5 as a homage to the father of the game. It is no secret that Dead or Alive was inspired a lot by VF and its core gameplay was build taking VF gameplay as reference. Alike, the concept of "DOA girl" was totally inspired by Mai Shiranui, pioneer in the concept of beautiful kunoichi fighter in revealing outfit and with big bouncing tits. I think it makes a lot of sense they have invited Mai if they invited VF chars.
Do you think Mai is going to have english voice? I'm starting to think she will have one unique voice (japanese). Like VF characters.
VF characters were invited in DOA5 as a homage to the father of the game. It is no secret that Dead or Alive was inspired a lot by VF and its core gameplay was build taking VF gameplay as reference. Alike, the concept of "DOA girl" was totally inspired by Mai Shiranui, pioneer in the concept of beautiful kunoichi fighter in revealing outfit and with big bouncing tits. I think it makes a lot of sense they have invited Mai if they invited VF chars.
Do you think Mai is going to have english voice? I'm starting to think she will have one unique voice (japanese). Like VF characters.
Dark-truth
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I doubt that, i think she'll have an English voice too.
I hope Mai's English voice is alluring. And, realize that Kagero no Mai can also be treated as a launcher this time around too with how the stun works. z
Sotherius
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Totally not canon, at all.
Virtua Fighter characters and now Mai are from different franchises that belong to different companies (Sega and SNK).
While Naotora Li is a Tecmo Koei character, she is from Samurai Warriors, and that isn't a series done by Team Ninja or related to the Team Ninja games.
NG characters aren't guests. They exist in-universe.
I think Jade means plot-wise if it's the correct timeline and actually part of DOA's universe, which is not really canon. However what you said up there is indeed true.
They are not guests but their involvement is also non-canon. Just because they belong to the same universe does not automatically mean they belong to the plot.
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Inb4 @Argentus decides to throw in angry Mila gifs lmao
Sotherius
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Indeed, but it means that they could be a part of a future plot without any kind of problem or lack of logic.
But we live in a world where Akuma is part of the story of Tekken 7, so who knows different companies will start merging their IP's into one universe someday.
It depends on their involvement and editing the current NG world characters bios to properly fit DOA, which is possible, even by lazy attempts..which they already did. Rachel for example actually knows very little hand-to-hand combat and is mostly of weaponry with her War hammer, same as Irene. However Rachel is still a good candidate because she was already decently popular and her really strong brute strength compensates for her initial problems. Since they didn't invest in an actual moveset for her because she by default doesn't really know one, all they need to do is simply go over older DOA files and find ones of used/unused movesets that can properly fit Rachel for comparison while changing the animation to something close to Rachel. And that candidate for moveset taking is none other than Nicole (SPARTAN-458). So to be on the fair case here, she was thrown in the game without any true reason but merely finding ways to up the roster a bit.
Momiji was trained under Hayabusa so it wouldn't really surprise me if she had learned physical combat to defend herself.
What they do with NG up to this point is unknown, but it is highly likely they could return for future DOA games. However what I'm going by here is that the NG characters are no different than guest characters since they were originally part of something else that are not within DOA.
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Xhominid The Demon Within
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Except again, The Ninja Gaiden characters(even including Ryu Hayabusa) still don't factor that much into the plot because ultimately just like how Ninja Gaiden is Ryu's game, Dead or Alive is Kasumi's game and it will be more of problems that Mugen Tenshin can ultimately handle with or without Ryu's assistance. Hell, DOA5 is the first DOA series where Ryu becomes way more involved with the plot past him killing Bankotsubo and how he suddenly saves everyone's asses in Dimensions.
But to be honest about the whole canon thing:
The Virtua Fighter characters are about as Canon as Akuma is: Where they have some presence in the overall universe, but nowhere near enough to really be a massive factor(I doubt Akuma is really going to factor that hard into Tekken's world)
Naotora CAN become easily canon within the Dead or Alive universe if only Koei Tecmo pretty much comes out with the fact that the events of Samurai Warriors ultimately happened within the DOA universe(which really won't be too hard, even with the presence of Fiends and actual otherworldly creatures because we had that with Warriors Orochi)
Mai Shiranui on the other hand is purely non canon. Because despite what others say she CAN be added into the typical world building(due to the fact that Samurai Showdown actually(okay maybe) has one of her ancestors in that game possibly, making it canon to the Fatal Fury/Art of Fighting/KOF universes and if people want to know, it's this guy
But otherwise since they aren't revamping the storyline or anything like that, she's a pure guest character just like any other guest character.
Shiranui
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I can't wait to fight Kasumi with Mai. Come to me, my child.
As for Rachel and Momiji, I have the feeling that they will never be "official" characters in DOA tournament, not even characters wich will play any role in the main story, but they are just perfect DLC characters for further expansions of the game some time after first release. So, yeah, I'm confindent even if there is a DOA6 in a future, Rachel will be there again sooner or later (sorry for the off topic)
As for Rachel and Momiji, I have the feeling that they will never be "official" characters in DOA tournament, not even characters wich will play any role in the main story, but they are just perfect DLC characters for further expansions of the game some time after first release. So, yeah, I'm confindent even if there is a DOA6 in a future, Rachel will be there again sooner or later (sorry for the off topic)
It was. She killed him with her own hands. LOLSamurai Showdown actually(okay maybe) has one of her ancestors in that game possibly, making it canon to the Fatal Fury/Art of Fighting/KOF universes and if people want to know, it's this guy
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Lady Tengu
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Argentus
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Why am i being tagged?
Mila is a bee no?