Taking Things into context

[J.D.E.]

Sup ladies & gentlemen? It's been a while since I made a thread. Now I'm seeing things within threads that's very common within each of them: People taking things out of context & NOT reading nor do they try to understand what people are saying in the threads. Mods do what you gotta do if things get outta hand & I'll take the blame for the topic because I was the one who made it. I'm sorry in advance if it does. It's also one of the biggest problems besides us fighting each other.

Now, here's why I made this thread: When somebody a great player such as NinjaCW, Ryujin, etc makes a thread explaining the circumstances of the game & the scene of DOA, I'm noticing people DO NOT I repeat DO NOT fully read what's being said. Or even "try" to for that matter. For example, NinjaCw made a thread "Community Save Yourself". He explains why people are not understanding the circumstances of the game & what happens between online & offline. Going deeper into the thread, a few comments were completely opposite of what the topic was about & completely ignores the topic in the process. & it's not just about certain on & offline topics. It's every topic.

Why? It's because people are not listening or hearing what they wanna hear. Folks all I'm asking is please read the entire section & try to fully understand the topic instead of hearing what you wanna hear. I've met some cool people in this community & I look forward to meeting many more. These top players are not bad guys. They're just trying to help you understand why things come off wrong. Nobodys saying you don't matter if you play online because YOU as a player count. Then you'll say "Why should go to a tournament when you say my opinion doesn't matter"? Or something like "I'm not going to a tourney because this guy is being an asshole" -__-. Smh. Nobody is saying that. You're blowing things out of proportion guys.

Also to go along with this topic, I see this alot too. When somebody disagrees with you because you don't understand or you're wrong about something & then you get corrected. You make it like people are gaining up on you when they're just trying to make you understand something that relates to the topic. Then you'll go onto the headliners where people can read & say something like "DOA community is balls" or "Community isn't gonna grow because of assholes". Come on folks! This is just silly & you know it.

And I'm also getting tired of going to a thread, there's constant arguing. I would normally come & read on forums to gather good information about what I already don't know about the game. Now I feel like it's pointless to go past the character forums because of it (Just letting you know how I feel).

Ok please discuss & try not to get this thread locked. Mods again, do what you have to & I'm sorry in advance if it does come to that.

 

[grap3fruitman]

TL;DR

 

[Ghosty-J]

Also to go along with this topic, I see this alot too. When somebody disagrees with you because you don't understand something & then you get corrected. You make it like people are gaining up on you when they're just trying to make you understand something that relates to the topic. Then you'll go onto the headliners where people can read & say something like "DOA community is balls" or "Community isn't gonna grow because of assholes". Come on folks! This is just silly & you know it.

And I'm also getting tired of going to a thread, there's constant arguing. I would normally come & read on forums to gather good information about what I already don't know about the game. Now I feel like it's pointless to go past the character forums because of it (Just letting you know how I feel).

I agree with this completely. What's the point of everyone bickering and fighting amongst themselves if we all came together to mingle and talk about the game that we love? It's mostly a hobby (for me anyway), so I really see no purpose of constant hissy-fits rising over unnecessary debates and arguments. No one here should even consider treating another as if he/she were an enemy over misunderstandings. Then again that will always be present in the usual FGC formula.

Whenever I see something get real, I just back out of the topic and surf along to the next since there's no gain from starting a yelling contest over ignorant knowledge regarding mechanics and opinionated viewpoints. In all honesty, this is what I think of when I see forum drama.

Let's not act like this to each other, guys D:

 

[Awesmic]

Yeah, yeah, I know.

"Awesmic, you of all people should really, seriously take this in... not everyone is out to get you, blah, blah, blah."

 

[lopedo]

The difference between CW and Ryujin is this though. Ryujin will acknowledge a good player, even online. Ryujin and I have been pretty good friends for a pretty long time. Ryujin will attempt to point somebody in the right direction.

CW will not acknowledge a good player period. CW and I could never be friends because I trolled him 6 years ago and he hasn't healed emotionally yet. CW doesn't attempt to point people in the right direction, CW TELLS people what they should believe and gets mad when they say no.

These "top players", which I am TYVFuckingM, right, they need to stop preaching to the converted and start recruiting people by BEING people, not leaders that nobody asked for and nobody wants.

Being assholes isn't going to get people to go offline. Telling people they don't matter unless they go offline is being an asshole. I don't care because I've been through a lot worse in life and have nothing better to do with mine.

Other people aren't like me. They have better shit to do then keep a dying and bad game alive offline. The money isn't there unless we're talking IPL. They hate everybody because the "top players" are always preaching, so why WOULD they go offline? They wouldn't.

I keep reading about respect being earned by going offline. Am I a fucking samurai training with master? Like what the fuck happened to basic human to human respect?

Stop trying to dictate. There's only about 10 people in this community but you've got me and a couple of other ones to put a sock in your mouth. You won't create peace by making a thread asking for it. If people don't want to travel they won't. If I want to troll I will, as will others. This isn't my family. This is a fighting game, a bad one at that, that's trying to stay relevant months after people stopped caring. I don't need to go offline to be respected. I can go to sleep at night respecting myself no matter what a "top player" thinks of me in DOA.

You know why? Because I can go to work and make more friends/money than I would by wasting money to go to an offline event for this game. Maybe some people here can't do that and that's why they take this so seriously. And that is their problem, not mine.

 

[J.D.E.]

Stop trying to dictate. There's only about 10 people in this community but you've got me and a couple of other ones to put a sock in your mouth. You won't create peace by making a thread asking for it. If people don't want to travel they won't. If I want to troll I will, as will others. This isn't my family. This is a fighting game, a bad one at that, that's trying to stay relevant months after people stopped caring. I don't need to go offline to be respected. I can go to sleep at night respecting myself no matter what a "top player" thinks of me in DOA.
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Who said I was dictating or looking for peace? I just said that I find it pointless to come in threads looking of for good info because ppl constantly waging war over something stupid. Not just on online & offline topics. Over any little thing. A lot of the things ignore the topics. I'm all ears if you know what you're talking about regardless of who or what it is pro or no pro. But until somebody can tell me what they did to em make them out to be an asshole other than explain something like you're trying to do to me, then I don't see what's the problem with him saying something.

I also know that you know how to play the game & know the game. So there you go. & no I'm not sugarcoating anything.

 

[lopedo]

Controversial topics will cause controversial comments.

If everybody agreed with everybody there wouldn't much of a discussion anywhere on this site. For good info visit the character sections. There are barley any arguments there most of the time.

 

[Brute]

I don't get the point of this topic. Everyone is going to claim they clearly and carefully read each and every post and that it's the other person's lack of showing that same respect that leads to conflict, regardless of the validity of such claims.

The worth of this topic is somewhat akin to going on T.V. and telling atheists and theists that mudslinging is bad and to respect both sides (while simultaneously claiming that one side is somehow being more rational than the other). You say you hate to read topics where people are arguing pointlessly and yet you've just created a topic which will ultimately serve no purpose but that.

I know that you're just trying to clear the air and I respect the sentiment, but like it's been said before, some people want to diss/insult/disregard others. Those people will not change even if you ship them a pretty pink birthday cake with their face on it. Traditional rhetoric is entirely alien here and is valued about as highly as a used tampon. While some individuals can be reached, you're not going to solve the issue of conflict in the larger community.

 

[DriftSlave]

Its a bad habit of people reading stuff out of context and posting a wall of text over 1 particular phase or sentence.

 

[Keved]

I know that you're just trying to clear the air and I respect the sentiment, but like it's been said before, some people want to diss/insult/disregard others. Those people will not change even if you ship them a pretty pink birthday cake with their face on it. Traditional rhetoric is entirely alien here and is valued about as highly as a used tampon. While some individuals can be reached, you're not going to solve the issue of conflict in the larger community.

 

[Chaos]

People insulting each other on discussion threads can happen at any moment no matter what and theres nothing we can do to prevent it from happening just like crime can occur occasionally regardless of what neighborhood, city, country and state we're living in.

 

[Yaguar]

Putting things into context* FTFY

Sorry =p

 

[J.D.E.]

I don't get the point of this topic. Everyone is going to claim they clearly and carefully read each and every post and that it's the other person's lack of showing that same respect that leads to conflict, regardless of the validity of such claims.
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If that's the case, I never would've made the topic. You're not gonna tell me that everybody is reading what the posts are saying then they flat out go by only one line in a post. No way. You know this just as well as I do Brute. Anybody that views the forums can look and tell you have that a lot of people don't read what's being posted unless it's something that interest them. Like I told Lopedo, it'not just about online or offline topics. It's any topic. Then the thread becomes pointless. Yeah I get that people troll & it's the internet, but seriously, if people were seriously reading posts, they wouldn't read 1 line & only 1 line in a topic then post on it & disregard everything else in the post & then blow it up.

Just like the 1s saying it's too long to read.

BTW, you may disagree with it & Keved might laugh at what the purpose of the topic is, but apparently like 8 people agree with me. So at least some people read what I or understood what I was saying.

@Lopedo I already mentioned the character forums.

 

[Keved]

BTW, you may disagree with it & Keved might laugh at what the purpose of the topic is, but apparently like 8 people agree with me. So at least some people read what I or understood what I was saying.

Slow down there Sally. In no way was i laughing at your topic, if you looked at what i quoted (in bold font) you will notice that it was one line from Brutes post that i found amusing, nothing more & nothing less. If i was laughing specifically at your topic i would have quoted your whole post & planted that gif afterwards which i didn't, & furthermore i wouldn't have liked Ghosty-J's post who quoted a sentence from you. Certainly in no way was i degrading your post or laughing at your topic, so don't be too quick to throw in that assumption.

In fact, i actually agree with you on some of your points & thought i already liked your post to begin with when i first read your thread (that is until you mentioned my name), having said that there were some points that Lopedo made that i also agreed with, but that doesn't mean I disregard your opinion at all.

All in all,no hard feelings & my apologies if you felt that way.

 

[J.D.E.]

Slow down there Sally. In no way was i laughing at your topic, if you looked at what i quoted (in bold font) you will notice that it was one line from Brutes post that i found amusing, nothing more & nothing less. If i was laughing specifically at your topic i would have quoted your whole post & planted that gif afterwards which i didn't, & furthermore i wouldn't have liked Ghosty-J's post who quoted a sentence from you. Certainly in no way was i degrading your post or laughing at your topic, so don't be too quick to throw in that assumption.

In fact, i actually agree with you on some of your points & thought i already liked your post to begin with when i first read your thread (that is until you mentioned my name), having said that there were some points that Lopedo made that i also agreed with, but that doesn't mean I disregard your opinion at all.

All in all,no hard feelings & my apologies if you felt that way.

Ok misunderstanding my bad

 

[Awesmic]

I know that you're just trying to clear the air and I respect the sentiment, but like it's been said before, some people want to diss/insult/disregard others. Those people will not change even if you ship them a pretty pink birthday cake with their face on it.

What about a pretty pink bikini birthday cake?

Or a birthday cake that hides the pretty pink?

Or my personal favorite, a pink birthday cake with a pretty sweet center...fold?

Of course, preferences may vary. Either way, a little creativity can go a long way, you just never know.

 

[J.D.E.]

What about a pretty pink bikini birthday cake?

Or a birthday cake that hides the pretty pink?

Or my personal favorite, a pink birthday cake with a pretty sweet center...fold?

Of course, preferences may vary. Either way, a little creativity can go a long way, you just never know.

Good 1 Awesmic. Back on topic plz

 

[Project Bokuho]

People do argue way too much here, talk about as if some argue like they were in a 45 year marriage together lol

 

[Yaguar]

I have to agree with a lot of what you've said to be fair JDE.

What isn't noted though is human nature. People deviate and tangent all the time in daily life. Somehow at work today we ended up in a debate about Dragon type Pokemon whilst discussing our game concept, which is completely unrelated.

There is always a little bit of chinese whispers going on too and what people infer from things. You and Kev a few posts up is a prime example of this but you both manned up and resolved the conflict, something which does not happen and often snowballs like a Pudge who is 10 - 0, 10 minutes into a game.

Other times it isn't that they don't read it... it is that they pick up on one line and get anal about it, completely ignoring the rest of the post.

 

[Brute]

If that's the case, I never would've made the topic. You're not gonna tell me that everybody is reading what the posts are saying then they flat out go by only one line in a post. No way. You know this just as well as I do Brute. Anybody that views the forums can look and tell you have that a lot of people don't read what's being posted unless it's something that interest them.

Re-read what I said. "Everyone is going to claim they clearly and carefully read each and every post and that it's the other person's lack of showing that same respect that leads to conflict, regardless of the validity of such claims." You're assuming people will read this and have a rational response to it, but that has traditionally not been something people here are good at (which you even admit).

Then the thread becomes pointless. Yeah I get that people troll & it's the internet, but seriously, if people were seriously reading posts, they wouldn't read 1 line & only 1 line in a topic then post on it & disregard everything else in the post & then blow it up.

Ironic considering you just quoted and responded to one tiny expert from my post, an excerpt which you also misunderstood and "blew up" as I just explained.

BTW, you may disagree with it & Keved might laugh at what the purpose of the topic is, but apparently like 8 people agree with me. So at least some people read what I or understood what I was saying.

"The worth of this topic is somewhat akin to going on T.V. and telling atheists and theists that mudslinging is bad and to respect both sides (while simultaneously claiming that one side is somehow being more rational than the other)."
It's that group who is agreeing with you. The ones who you are defending and who support that view from the start. You're not going to reach any new people, or at least it's highly unlikely.
I shouldn't have to explain why "likes" do not validate an argument. CE: Lots of people "like" [opinion about them] but that doesn't convert opinion to fact, nor does it mean that the larger community agrees with that analysis. Also, they have no intrinsic scale of judgement, a clear threshold, etc.