Is there frame data for crouching, sidestepping etc?

[JannLeeVsLaw]

Of course you have recovery time since the side step needs to be performed before you can actually attack. And from what i can tell the amount of frames that you defiantly have to wait until you can attack again is something around 12 to 13 frames however you can only do the side step move after that amount of frames no other attacks. To do other attacks you would have to wait during the whole side step and it's recovery which i think is something around 29 frames.

Mr wah wrote earlier in this thread that a sidestep is 20 frames plus another 5 of recovery, a total of 25 frames. So what you're saying is that once you start a sidestep you can perform another after 12-13 frames but you can only attack after the entire 25 frames have finished? So once you start a sidestep there's no way of interrupting or stopping it until it's finished, unless you do another sidestep?

 

[Sam Sultan]

Mr wah wrote earlier in this thread that a sidestep is 20 frames plus another 5 of recovery, a total of 25 frames. So what you're saying is that once you start a sidestep you can perform another after 12-13 frames but you can only attack after the entire 25 frames have finished? So once you start a sidestep there's no way of interrupting or stopping it until it's finished, unless you do another sidestep?

I may have been a little unclear in my previous post sorry for that. But what i was trying to tell you is that from a little experiment that i did. It seemed to me that while sidestepping one can choose to perform the side step move by pressing either p or k after something about 13 frames in to the side step or later. However if you choose to do another kind of attack then you have to wait during the side step and its recovery so that would be 25 frames. There is no cancelling the side step once you have started it so the only options you have once you decided to a side step would be:

1. Do the side step attack by pressing p or k, this is the fastest move
2. Defend or do another attack after the side step and the amount of frames it takes you to recover which would be 25 frames.

You can actually do this experiment your self in the following manner:

1. Put the training dummy in to a stun and write down the amount of + frames that you get.
2. Then do the same thing again but this time as soon as you have put the dummy in to a stun perform the side step and write down again the amount of + frames .
Then subtract the amount of + frames from step 2 from the amount of + frames from step one and that will give you the amount of frames that it took you to do the side step or whatever you where doing during the stun of the dummy.

 

[Red Reaper]

Mr wah wrote earlier in this thread that a sidestep is 20 frames plus another 5 of recovery, a total of 25 frames. So what you're saying is that once you start a sidestep you can perform another after 12-13 frames but you can only attack after the entire 25 frames have finished? So once you start a sidestep there's no way of interrupting or stopping it until it's finished, unless you do another sidestep?

Basically what Sam Sultan said..

There's side step attacks, and if your character doesn't have good side step attacks then your chance of side step punishing are diminished.

 

[JannLeeVsLaw]

Ok sure thanks a lot guys, this is really helpful. One last question, is it possible to block or hold/counter at any point during a sidestep because i always seem to get hit during it? Because if not i would probably have to just resort to crush strikes.

 

[Sam Sultan]

Ok sure thanks a lot guys, this is really helpful. One last question, is it possible to block or hold/counter at any point during a sidestep because i always seem to get hit during it? Because if not i would probably have to just resort to crush strikes.

No you can't counter or block during the side step only after the you have performed the sidestep. If you getting hit during sidestep that means you are either timing it wrong or you get hit by tracking attacks remember not all moves can be sidesteped.

 

[Red Reaper]

Ok sure thanks a lot guys, this is really helpful. One last question, is it possible to block or hold/counter at any point during a sidestep because i always seem to get hit during it? Because if not i would probably have to just resort to crush strikes.

From what I've been hearing, side stepping in this game isn't as good as in other games. You really need to know the string you're trying to side step and time it well. I did a quick test against the komp in training and it wasn't too easy to side step. Even though I knew the follow up I still had to guess the timing in case they delayed it. Guess it's a good thing we have holds..

 

[JannLeeVsLaw]

Great, that's all i wanted to know about the sidestep. i have another question about the doa crouch dash, but i think i'll put that up tomorrow and give u guys a break thanks heaps for your help so far, appreciate it

 

[JannLeeVsLaw]

I would like to know the frame data for a crouch dash ( ) and also whether there are different speeds for a crouch dash based on how fast you input it, or if a crouch dash is always the same speed. Looking forward to a reply, thank you very much

 

[synce]

Ok sure. So does 30-40 frames sound about right, or have I miscounted?

Not sure about the frames but I'd agree that back dashing in DOA feels useless. Also keep in mind YT videos are 30fps and the game runs at 60fps