Black Dragon
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IIRC, that wasn't Hayashi - that was the original Metroid creator who did the story.
NG3 Making Folks Wary of DOA5
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Rikuto
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Which is exactly what he wants you to believe.
The guy who wrote the story for the original NES ninja gaiden games was also on staff for NG3, which had an atrocious story. Writing up a script and implementing it are two entirely different things. That heavy handed story telling was 100% Hayashi, even if he did not conceive the original script he is absolutely responsible for how it was handled within the game.
If he came out today and said "hey, i had nothing to do with the story in NG3, it was the guy who did the NES ninja gaiden's" he would be telling the same lie he told with Other M.
People don't really care that the story is bad. Most stories in gaming are bad.
We care that its bad, and in your face, and it won't shut the fuck up and let you play the goddamned game because it's too busy being a story.
Look at the second level of ninja gaiden, the airship stage. it starts with a cool cutscene that hypes you up for the boss battle at the end of the stage. It's only purpose is to give you exposition and look fucking raw while doing it. You spend the entire level doing ninja shit and killing people, and then you get to the boss and kick his ass. Then you get a cool fucking cutscene of ninja shit going down and explosions happening as a result. That's all there was, cool shit at the start, cool shit at the end, and solid gameplay in the middle.
Now look at the second level of NG3. Few minute long cutscene with a character you care nothing about, and an over explanation of the introduction of your bow weapon. about 20 or 30 seconds of killing later, ayane shows up for another minute or cutscene and the explanation of a replacement sword.
You finally move on but the game keeps shoving its fucking radio chatter bullshit down your throat like its metal gear solid. Get ambushed by an enemy? Doesn't matter that it was obvious, the game will be there to tell you about it. Clear an area? Yup. Gota wall run like a ninja? Radio time for that too. New enemy type pop up? You better believe she's gonna talk about that.
In fact, if you actually die 3 times in one area, you'll actually get a metal gear solid style "snaaaaaaaake!" game over screen, complete with the radio bitch yelling your name, along with the games attempt at insulting your intelligence by asking if you'd like a lower difficulty. Unlike ninja dog in NGB, they will never stop asking you this question.
Get to the end of the level, and there is another lengthy cutscene, followed by a boss fight. or, I'd like to call it a boss fight, but it's honestly just three or four minutes of some QTE bullshit. Then more cutscene, then the level ends, then more cutscene, then the level starts with more QTE, then some mindless hack'n'slash in a dynasty warriors fashion, then more cutscene, and more radio, and so on.
The entire game is like this.
Funny thing is, they could have told the EXACT SAME STORY and kept the overdramatic bullshit out of the game. People would not have complained nearly as much. But that's not Hayashi's style, he wants to be like a fucking movie director or something and cram as much storytelling in as he can. He needs to go work for Hideo Kojima, not Team Ninja.
Hurricane Rev
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lool what? I know SRK is the home for fighting games. It is just that there are annoying people on that site and I don't really go on that site much because of that. I like the site but I can't stand those people. Also, why are people getting worried about DOA5 because of NG3? Both of those games are different from each other. One is an action game and the other is a fighting game. Some of you guys are playing the demo of DOA5 and some of you guys are liking it so far. So what exactly is the problem? How DOA5 will sell? Well, I did hear that NG3 didn't sell that well but that doesn't really mean that DOA5 will go down the same way. If you guys know how to expose the game AND if team ninja is making some good choices, then the game will do well.
DrDogg
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It's an Alpha build demo, which is very, very different from the normal demos you see. It was more of a thank you to people who bought NG3 as opposed to a treat for DOA fans.
Dude, Rikuto. Calm down, man. It's not like Bayman's gonna be shit. He's always been decent.
Allan Paris
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DOA 4's Bayman would beg to differ.
R4712-VR88
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Wow Rikuto. Your level of faggotry is amazing. And you're supposed to be a vet?
This has to be a joke, just like the rest of your garbage spewing mouth in other threads about DOA5 and NG3. Honestly you suck so much dick about SCV, why don't you just go to their forums instead and quit bitching about everything little thing here.
This has to be a joke, just like the rest of your garbage spewing mouth in other threads about DOA5 and NG3. Honestly you suck so much dick about SCV, why don't you just go to their forums instead and quit bitching about everything little thing here.
That's an excellent example of a terrible post R4712.
Now now, Rikuto's just angry about a lot things. No need for that name-calling.
Also, try and calm down a bit, Rikuto.
Also, try and calm down a bit, Rikuto.
R4712-VR88
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Well excuse me for being sick of seeing his sorry ass posts about what he thinks about Team NINJA and the games we're here to support. All he's done is nothing but complain about this and that and acts like DOA5 is going to be terrible just from an alpha build of the game and praises how SCV is better and he'd rather just go play it because it's apparently so much better. This isn't DOACentral, we don't need that kind of attitude about DOA5 or Team NINJA. For once we have the developers coming to us for assistance yet he just wants to put them down for not making things how he wants them to be and assumes they're not going to listen to us on anything and blah blah blah.
Do you even read his posts grap3? Just scroll up abit and see the ridiculousness.
DrDogg
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So because this isn't DOA Central there should be nothing but glowing positive posts here? Doesn't your post directly contradict that?
Rikuto knows this is just an Alpha build. Unfortunately, it seems to be a majority of the other frequent posters who are ignoring that fact. They're praising the slight progress from DOA4 to the Alpha build as though the game has magically become competitive overnight. The simple fact is that the Alpha build is not tournament-worthy, yet some people here would like to think that it is.
I would like to see DOA5 be a solid, competitive fighter. I'm going to great lengths to help make that happen. However, if the changes were left to some of the people here (VPai, for example), the game would never be competitive. Rikuto can be a bit harsh, but what he's saying is true, for the most part. He's also making it very clear that not every DOA fan is happy with the Alpha build.
Don't worry though, because come September, if DOA5 isn't up to snuff, Rikuto will not be playing it and therefore will have no reason to post here.
Right, except that the issues he's complaining about in the DOA5 alpha were also present in DOA2, 3, 4 and Dimensions. I think him stressing that these are actually issues and are holding the game back from being a viable competitive fighter isn't detrimental to this forum.
You're right, this isn't DOACentral. That's why the "yes men (and woman)" don't have an influence here. What happens when those people that have nothing but praise and ignore all the flaws of the series go to give TN feedback? We get DOA Dimensions.
Yes, I read all of his posts but I don't find them the least bit ridiculous. He's giving honest, heartfelt criticism. There's nothing ridiculous about that.
-Why are you bringing me into this discussion. I am one that is asking for major changes to the game for competitive sakes. so hop off already, the shit is getting annoying and tired.
Tenren
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to me srk may be the core of FGC but when it comes to 3d fighters I look else were. I have hope for DOA5, the demo proved they are willing to listen to us and seem to be going in the right direction. There are still thing that need to be fixed with that being said, I know TN will listen to us over srk poster first. Or so I hope.
Normally I'd jump to conclusions and defend the little guy. But I don't feel it's anyone's intent to alienate Ratiz this time. So I'm gonna say this. Ratiz, as a fellow fan who's also not as strat-savvy as others, don't feel threatened or intimidated by all this... at least, don't me as much as I am.
At the end of the day, all we can do is worry about ourselves. Let Rikuto blow off his own steam and hope the more level-headed individuals try to let the discussions go smoothly through such criticism. As hard as it is to swallow sometimes, they're looking at the big picture.
At the end of the day, all we can do is worry about ourselves. Let Rikuto blow off his own steam and hope the more level-headed individuals try to let the discussions go smoothly through such criticism. As hard as it is to swallow sometimes, they're looking at the big picture.
Raansu
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No one is claiming the game to be tournament ready and everyone knows its an alpha build. It is just a simple fact that the demo actually has made progress over DoA4 and has taken some things from DoA3.1 has made some of us here more hopeful for the game and we hope the development continues in making changes to improve it. Come September if nothing has changed...Well then the series will be dead for good.
The problem with everyone right now is they are all jumping to conclusions and making assumptions about everything.
Talking about the competitive viability of a game (especially one that has not yet been released yet) is, in my opinion, a pointless topic. The game system doesn't drive the competitive viability of a game as much as many people hope to believe. Unfortunately, it's the community that wants to grab hold of its game, support its players, and plunk down some money to make for some awesome moments. The Dead or Alive series, even DOA4, has proven that there is a way an experienced player with the game can destroy someone who has never touched it before. Don't take just my word for it, there's an article from SRK that supports that claim: You can have the most "competitively viable" game, but if you don't have a community actively playing and sharing the game then it means nothing.
Would I like to see new levels of the fighting meta-game, some that could even be 'borrowed' from other games, implemented into Dead or Alive? Sure, no problem. But people need to start understanding that it's the community that makes the game more so than the other way around. This particular community has currently been kicked down due to actions in the past that cannot be changed. So it needs to be stressed that this is the community's last chance to really show what the DOA community is made of.
Would I like to see new levels of the fighting meta-game, some that could even be 'borrowed' from other games, implemented into Dead or Alive? Sure, no problem. But people need to start understanding that it's the community that makes the game more so than the other way around. This particular community has currently been kicked down due to actions in the past that cannot be changed. So it needs to be stressed that this is the community's last chance to really show what the DOA community is made of.
Rikuto
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Wow, you sure sound angry. Did I accidentally kill your cat with my harsh criticisms of team ninja?
Because I can destroy nearly everybody on 8way at that game, as well as everybody at the forums here at this game, I've pretty much earned the right to spew my garbage wherever I please. There's a reason I can do that and I'm not going to silence myself because what I have to say does not appeal to the ignorant.
I'm not here to support Team Ninja unconditionally. That's called being a fanboy. And it is pure foolishness, because they have a very poor track record at making good fighting games. I'm here in support of the game as I see it should develop.
When I've seen it on the right path, I have hyped it towards other communities to help Team Ninja. When I've seen it on the wrong path, I've steered people away out of respect for their desire to play games that are not shitty. Not everyone has such horrifying low standards as the DOA community. I've already stated that if it does not develop closely enough along the lines of what I consider a competitive, playable game, I simply will not play it and I will steer as many people away as I can. That is the price of delivering a poor game.
You yourself should consider what is actually most helpful to Team Ninja. "Sucking their dick", as you put it, or keeping them in line with reality.
I wonder what's actually more likely to invoke any manner of change?