Free Step Dodge

I don't think there's a character on the roster that would be "scared' to attack Lisa, especially in close.

Save 4H+K which is STUPID (hint hint, TN) there is no reason I'd be afraid to attack Lisa any more than any other character. Literally, she's at the very bottom. I have more reservations about being aggressive with my assault against every other character.

Having a "fine" stun game is not putting you anywhere near top tier. "I'm not saying she's Gen Fu level," well that's exactly what top tier is in this game. If you're not Gen Fu, you're not top. And then you ask why Lisa isn't top? Simple: she isn't Gen Fu.

1P in itself is scary =\ if your character has highs in their strings and your opponent knows that... you're going to get CH stunned... Hitomi is very easily torn apart by a Lisa that knows her strings.

The only reason she can hold her own against Leifang is because she sets the tone for spacing and because she has true mids to circumvent Leifang's bullscrewy/random crush properties. But again, being able to "hold your own" is such a far cry from being "the top."

To be clear: I'm not arguing that Lisa is bad. She just doesn't have the same dominating toolsets that the other high/top tiers do.
IMO, she's solid mid.

Seriously? pressuring a Lisa is not an easy task. She has so many crushes and OHs =S then on stun it gets even worse due to her ability to switch to her BT stance ( pp4 scares the hell out of me. ) I literally cannot VS Lisa as Marie... and she is my main.

That's because Marie has one of the shittiest spacing games ever and that's literally all the lisa MU becomes with her.

Btw sorry! it's notifying me after I post >_>;; so what I'm saying isn't relevant to what's most recently being said. But yeah! No! I'm just saying she should be higher than she currently is is all, and by top I mean at least the beginning of B tier or bottom of A.

I think most people do put her in B tier. I'm just confused on how that became "top."

PS: no worries. does the same on my endm obviously.

Anyway, I think the only thing Lisa lacks is speed. Which isn't a necessity in DOA. It's a good thing to have, sure. But crushes are much more important imo and she has plenty of them.

I'm not 100% sure how DOA tier works... there's so many levels so I just kinda group it together. S-A = Top. So towards the top of B would place her towards the top of Mid tier. As opposed to where she is now, last I checked she was towards the bottom of mid tier. So around C or something.

Well, the community can't get together to finish a tier list, so a lot of characters don't have recorded MUs and are given weird placings as a result (I'm assuming you're referring to the tier list thread).
But for example, Hayate is most likely A Tier. Gen Fu is S/SS Tier. But the gap between those characters is HUGE. So typically, DOA players don't lump A and S into one category.

IMO, Lisa's crushes are only moderate. When you have characters like Gen Fu, Helena and Ayane who have AMAZING crushes, Lisa's don't really rock the top of the food chain. And, those characters all have other, more scary stuff in addition to boot (including speed).

So as an example, in my opinion, when compared to lisa, Ayane has better speed, better crushes, better pokes, better mix-ups, better spacing/zoning, better stuns, better damage, and due to the function of her animations/mix-ups/string options, also has a better tick throw game (and for some reason nets a boat load of damage from it for not being a grappler).

So unless you just really have no idea how to deal with Ohs, Ayane quite simply blows Lisa out of the water.

I don't know, I think Lisa's 1P is my favourite crush in the entire game. But that's just based on the way I play. Some people would argue that Ayane's 4P is better, it launches on ch- but I'd prefer a stun as opposed to guaranteed damage.

I would take a mid-crush launch over a high-crush stun any day.

Ayane is a better character, I agree there. But Ayane is already labelled as one of the stronger characters in the game so that's no surprise. All I'm saying is she's better than people are making out. My friend has started focusing on her and I've never seen someone use her as well as this guy- which is how my opinion of her changed completely and I decided to give her a go. Annnnd she's great fun!

Wait, does Ayane's 4P crush mids? I thought it was a high crush? and I'm fairly certain I've beat out her 4P with Marie's 3K which is a mid k. Unless it's specific mids?