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We'll I'd hold Helena and Lisa to this list but I've found what they have over other characters. Tell me: What does Hayate have as a tactical advantage to other characters? Here's one... a special sidestep stun... oh wait, everyone has one of those.

Haijin, that's actually kinda... the point. But the basic tools are now wildly contested. I never thought she had no tools like other Helena players, but neither what the reactionary view now in play

a wind dash with a +7 guard break. It's high and really the only thing useful out of the wind dash considering the launchers are... pretty much weak.

a sit down stun that guarantees nothing ._. wooooooo

I'm sorry it guarantees a launch off on the xbox 360 version(so I've heard)

and a plethora of guard break cancels that lead to +1.

not to mention they're all interruptable with any move that's less that 25 frames. Man... awesome.

@CrimsonJ: All of you guys (or rather most of you) just assume the worst because of what Helena is like on paper. When it is not always about how a character looks on paper. Mamba wins D.I.D. and now people want to second whether Helena is good or not. It's about the player's capabilities, not just a character's.

second guess*** typos @_@

I think we're in agreement and I'm just being rattled by tone perception. My bad.

lol, wow.

Either that or I'm missing something significant, if the call is not to reanalyze characters on the spot

I'll leave you to figure that out.

acknowledge my whining plz... ty. Anyway... yea I'm glad she's good, and i'm glad lisa ACTUALLY isn't that bad because she does have some mid crushes, and some high priority moves(some). The tier list seems like it's completely backwards.

I never thought she was bad. My opinion of her hasn't changed at all after the events of Dallas. I'm still baffled by those who still say she's bad or still say she's inept. She's a solid character. Nothing more, nothing less.

The thing is...Helena has always been good. No one is just really utilizing the character how she's suppose to be. The same can be said about other characters, like say, Ayane. I'll say it again, for the third and final time. It takes a player to be able to play well and know what their and opponent's characters are capable of.

I agree with Hajin completely. I've been saying the same thing since the first week I got the game.

On a side note, damnit Hajin, you need to get a PS3 already. =P

I was suppose to get one back when BBCSII was hot. Was going to get one but I forgot lol...

Well i think i use Helena the way she should, its not like im always losing so im complaining about her. I never thought she was the worst character, maybe not the best. But im just saying Helena isnt as broken as people make her out to be. And most of us are only basing what makes a good character from Dr. Doggs criteria.

There is nothing broken in DOA.