Free Step Dodge

What people dont know but most of the Helena players backing up their opinion on why they think she's lacking in tools are actually really good players. It seems everyone else has no experience with Helena and are just blurting out their opinion as if they are facts.

"There is nothing broken in DOA." Tell that to the members freaking out about Helena.

There is no point in convincing bad players anything because they will more than like stick to their theoretical arguments.

"And most of us are only basing what makes a good character from Dr. Doggs criteria."
Like I've said many times: People are idiots.
Not trivializing Dr Dogg's work and opinions, but taking everything he's said for granted is just stupid.

Yup, pretty much. But it seems like ever since the game came out. Theres been a flood of new member forcing there opinion on others.

"There is nothing broken in DOA."
Disagree. The online mode is broken, at least on PS3. So many bugs, glitches, errors and lagfests.
Otherwise, I agree. While there are some certainly areas where the balancing could be improved, it's far from broken.

lol Brute.

So what's the deal. Aside from the Pseudo FT deal, is she lacking or not in this game?

No.

Without the Pseudo force tech i think she's a bit lacking, she's not horrible. Its just what ever she can do, someone can normally do better. If they take away her force techs in the patch, it would kill her.

I want Hayate to get his opportunities back for it. Other characters as well. It'd help the aggressor keep up that onslaught. I loved that about 4.

I know I talk a lot about Hayate but that's because I main him and apply it all to him. I don't want him to be the best... where he stood in 4 was fine.

Yeah i never play as Hayate but i heard he's not up to par with his previous installment.

and like... for some unknown reason i was really happy when mamba found this FT deal for Helena, but looking back at doa4 and watching PL and others play, i see how crucial it was, so i think we should get it back for everyone and solidify it for helena figure some setups for each character

i'll keep searching for Hayate's in the mean time.

and yea, he's just not up to par because his stun game is only... OK. He can CB in 3 hits, but he's got no guaranteed setups except a 33k off of his sit down stun. 33k is a hassle either way so you gotta buffer it well to get the guaranteed launch... even then I don't know if it's a special deal...

where it says it's guaranteed, but it's really not, like eliot, he gets +16 off of his parries but you can only get 9k off of it.

and I can deal with the stun problem because you can get some pretty deep stuns... but the problem that sets Helena above him is that she's got 2F+K and 6K2k and 4ppkk... or whatever one it is that goes into that stomp kick. It gives +20 something on NH, Hayate gets +...16ish on his best low.

Xdest and I already found solid force techs for Ayane are their in the combo discussion OP. I'll probably find more later tonight, among other things.

I think his sweep is slower too... unfortunately, but I don't remember, i didn't write this down when I compared them. but yeah compare both his and her 2H+K, then look at his guard breaks. +7 is the best he can get, so he really can't open you up. Just pressure you with the slow slow slow GB's. All of them are i31 frames or higher

@Hajin yea I witnessed some of hers. I worked some of Hayate's but they're more risky than helpful. The best one is on a HCH 8k, where he can do 3H+K for a ground bounce then go for 1p. This is where things get good...