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Well, imagine you're practicing for a tournament and want to practice the 152 matchup. Either you have to acheivement hunt every title, or you have to Modio your gamesave. And even worse, the tournament hosts...can you imagine getting 500 titles on every console just to play the tourney?

I for one want her to be Helena tier. >> Better for the tourney people, and better for us non-acheivement hunters.

All because of a damn controller. Wow, hope Xbox puts in a decent D-Pad next generation, because that's pretty ridiculous they lose fighting games because of a controller. Jeez they need to fix that.

PS3 is not the console of choice for DOA in Team Ninja's eyes most likely. They've had a Xbox bond since 2001 if you remember. In addition, DOA is probably not optimized for HD Loading quite yet.

No, you misunderstand my meaning. On 8WR they have two threads, one for combo discussion, and one for Combos. The combo thread is locked and has no discussion, and is updated when something is found out in the combo discussion thread. Because of that, the discussion threads are long...

Or you could make this a combo discussion thread. To be completely honest, we'll probably need Character forum moderators like 8WR.

...I thought you were kidding at first. Then I googled it. Wow. Fighting gamers.

Custom combo thread names are cool, but that...is terrible. I'll try and help you guys out with the combo thing when I get my copy of the game. I don't like characters being unviable.

A game can...never...be too fast. Your sarcasm almost got me there! Because maybe the speed they're referring to has to do with the time between moves in a string hitting, IE: How fast a low follow-up would be after a first kick in a 3KK string that hits mid, low. Is all that the same too? Or...

New Helena looks so sad. Guess she wants to cry because of the nerfs. lol

...They killed her eyes. I knew something was wrong here.

Right. And because the way Xbox works, for instance, you need an exploit of some kind to do. Not to mention correct coding on how to do it, because as long as a disk is spinning, it's beyond difficult. Brawl+ probably exists because of Neogamma, ELF loaders, and the backup channel, whereas...

Which is why after leaving DOA4 sometime in 2007 for DOA3, when I bought 4 again in 2012, I didn't spend much time on the game, and even less on Ayane. I knew she was very top tier in 4, so I knew that she'd probably end up changing a lot in terms of BnBs, so I played Lisa for a game instead.

This is correct. Believe it or not, I played SC for quite a long time, so I know exactly what you're talking about. Yet, while this is true, sort of, there's two problems I have with that game philosophy which bother me. I actually played one of the characters affected by the hilariously stupid...

I don't believe she's bad per say, she's probably just mid and upper mid tier, and a little more difficult, when there's better and easier characters to play with right now. I wonder, though, because, I personally just wanted her, even if they nerfed her damage, to give her some very safe moves...

I was talking in general, not about Eliot specifically. I was referring to the general consensus of never nerfing a character, not Eliot himself. Sorry for not being clear. And, you're right, unique strengths do make the characters unique, but those same things don't have to be hilarious in a...

You picked the right one. Ayane is getting no love right now at all, so..it helps.

Unless, of course, when you make a game a character exceeds the damage threshold you desire for the game. Then nerf accordingly. But, it doesn't exceed DOA's style. so that's alright. However, it is significantly more painful for a developer to buff all the other characters. Much more work. And...

Considering one of them is not top tier, it was expected, was it not?

Precisely. What's the point of adding an extra counter when you 2 in 1 highs anyway? Highs are already bad enough without 2 in 1's.